Hunter Managed Herds

[Freeborn]

You already know this but Lots of information In the presentation. When it comes to presentations less is often more depending on audience. I would cherry pick the important message/messages you want to leave with the audience.

Maybe start with the key things you want them to take away from the presentation; e.g., hunters can manage the deer herd to the level they want. Manage for a set of take aways for the audience and you will deliver your message.

 

[Riggsgwp->]

What about a plug for Habitat Talk as a resource on food/habitat projects. Obviously that's not the end goal but it may help get more people in the loop.
Nice work Brooks.

 

[sandbur]

I like it Brooks.

we also need a 3 minute version!

 

[dipper]

Wi dnr does not manage for 100 deer square mile of habitat, anywhere. If that is what u were attempting to explain? I believe it's roughly 15 up north and 25 in more ag areas. I think it's also less than 20 in areas dominated by ag. I don't think wi dnr claims they have 100 deer/sq mile anywhere.
There are certain pockets on the micro level as u call it, but I've yet to see any data documenting that density. I've also talked to my biologist in length, and he's told me there are aware of higher densities, but it is impossible to pin point them, based on available data.

 

[bowhunternw]

Well I actually think that it is pretty decent, I would take out the jabs at the dnr it takes away professionalism and credibility.

 

[sandbur]

I would like some suggestions on a poster for county fair booths. I am thinking along the lines of

HUNTER MANAGED HERDS

where hunters voluntarily pass does to increase deer numbers
where hunters voluntarily pass young bucks to see more older bucks
where hunters voluntarily restrict party hunting to increase deer numbers or increase amounts of older bucks
where hunters shoot more does in specific, localized areas where a farmer, orchard , or nursery are having significant problems with deer browsing

Suggestions? I like KISS!

 

[sandbur]

I would like some suggestions on a poster for county fair booths. I am thinking along the lines of

HUNTER MANAGED HERDS

where hunters voluntarily pass does to increase deer numbers
where hunters voluntarily pass young bucks to see more older bucks
where hunters voluntarily restrict party hunting to increase deer numbers or increase amounts of older bucks
where hunters shoot more does in specific, localized areas where a farmer, orchard , or nursery are having significant problems with deer browsing

Suggestions? I like KISS!

Add...
where hunters plant food plots, hard and soft mast, create cover, and maintain young forests to increase carrying capacity?

Remember we are speaking to the casual hunter.

 

[wiscwhip]

You might add something to the party hunting line about also "allowing youth or first time hunters to harvest their own deer"? I do like it though, should be a cheap method to get the ball rolling and at least open some discussion.

 

[Jameson]

I would like some suggestions on a poster for county fair booths. I am thinking along the lines of

HUNTER MANAGED HERDS

where hunters voluntarily pass does to increase deer numbers
where hunters voluntarily pass young bucks to see more older bucks
where hunters voluntarily restrict party hunting to increase deer numbers or increase amounts of older bucks
where hunters shoot more does in specific, localized areas where a farmer, orchard , or nursery are having significant problems with deer browsing

Suggestions? I like KISS!

HUNTER MANAGED HERDS

where hunters don't rely on the DNR to tell them what needs to be shot.
where hunters don't try to tag out unless there are way too many deer.
where hunters don't try to fill every buck tag even if the DNR says it is ok.
where hunters think of the next generation of hunters, before thinking of themselves.

Hunters, we dare you to have a competition in your camp on who can pass on shooting the most deer! Winner gets the biggest buck next year! :)

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I really like the idea, but don't think it is a great idea to tell them exactly what they need to do. Tell them to voluntarily pass on does and they may think that means every doe (and that may be what we want) when just shooting way less does would be a big step in the right direction. If the hunting party is shooting 4 does every year, and drop that to 1 doe every year, that is a big improvement and might go over better.

 

[bat man]

I would like some suggestions on a poster for county fair booths. I am thinking along the lines of

where hunters voluntarily pass does to increase deer numbers
where hunters voluntarily pass young bucks to see more older bucks
where hunters voluntarily restrict party hunting to increase deer numbers or increase amounts of older bucks
where hunters shoot more does in specific, localized areas where a farmer, orchard , or nursery are having significant problems with deer browsing

Suggestions? I like KISS!

HUNTER MANAGED HERDS

hunters who enjoy seeing multiple deer when afield
hunters inspecting browse levels to determine the local doe harvest
hunters knowing harvesting 25% of the adult does means fewer deer next year
hunters who realize more does produce more bucks

 

[bat man]

Well I actually think that it is pretty decent, I would take out the jabs at the dnr it takes away professionalism and credibility.

Our DNR is currently spreading lies about what he habitat can support. Its hard for me to ignore that.

 

[bat man]

Hunter Managed Herds

Striking a balance between herd size and the local habitat.

Learn more at...

 

[biglakeba$$]

Summary from the stakeholders meetings for 223. The magical carrying capacity is referenced.

 

[wiscwhip]

HMH....is this going to be a MDDI movement, a joint movement among the state's deer groups...or what?

I have been wondering this myself stu. It would seem that a "movement" like this should be "sponsored" by some deer hunter advocacy groups to gain any type of real traction. I know it is not usually the bowhunters that one needs to target with this info, but I would think that it wouldn't hurt to have MBI on board, and Brooks could make that happen. Would individual branches of MDHA be able to back this or would it have to be voted on by state headquarters as an all in or nothing type deal? Bluffland Whitetails would be another good group, as I bet many of them do this type of thing already.

 

[wiscwhip]

I don't know if local MDHA chapters could back it without HQ's blessing...but HQ should be the biggest backer (again...IMHO)

I would agree with this 100% stu, and it is exactly what I was thinking. If MDHA HQ does not back this, it again begs to question whether they are the true MN deer hunter advocacy group that they want the hunters of MN to believe they are. This really should be common knowledge and common practice throughout the deer hunting world, no matter where you are, but sadly it is not. Starting with the newsletters of the various organizations would be good as well. Would it be worthwhile to run an ad with this information in the MN ODN? It sure would hold more clout if it had a tag line at the bottom that said "Endorsed by.....everybody!"

 

[bat man]

HMH....is this going to be a MDDI movement, a joint movement among the state's deer groups...or what?

It will be all deer groups. We have a 4 some with a 6 pm tee time tmorow here in Monticello to do some roughing (BLB, MNARN, MNFISH and the BAT) Join us at Hawks Sports Bar if you wish.

We will kick some more here at the forum and then back to St Francis with the whole crew (MDHA< MBI< QDMA etc) for some finality on first steps.

We can craft a message that should be opposed by no state deer group. No DNR bashing, just solutions.

Empowering MN deer hunters to balance deer numbers with local habitat.

Focus on micro management vs DMU levels may be the answer. Legitimate measured habitat impact becomes the ruler.

DPSM and quantified CC become irrelevant. We don't care 'how many' so long as we have satisfying hunts balanced with the local habitat.

 

[wiscwhip]

That's really what it comes down to.

There will be those hunters who will be satisfied with seeing and shooting one deer a year...for those guys we won't have much to offer I suppose. I just hope none of them hunt/own near me

Those ^^^ guys aren't even that bad, it's the ones who want to see 4 deer a year and kill them all that are the downfall of deer herds everywhere!:mad:

 

[bwoods11]

You might add something to the party hunting line about also "allowing youth or first time hunters to harvest their own deer"? I do like it though, should be a cheap method to get the ball rolling and at least open some discussion.

Extremely important statement! If you have youth tags and party hunting the abuse will continue.

 

[biglakeba$$]

There will be those hunters who will be satisfied with seeing and shooting one deer a year..

Exactly what our neighbors are like...... Last year they saw 5 deer and shot 5 deer for 9 guys. They had a good hunt in their eyes. Nothing to worry about. They were over 50% successful.

 

[bat man]

Exactly what our neighbors are like...... Last year they saw 5 deer and shot 5 deer for 9 guys. They had a good hunt in their eyes. Nothing to worry about. They were over 50% successful.

Were the other 4 guys who saw no deer okay with the hunting?