Cwd

[Bill]

I think selling would be pointless Bill, IMO. It will be everywhere that has a high DPSM eventually and we know that a decent DPSM and good genetics are what would drive us to purchase a property in the first place. No disease recognizes state lines, so it is coming, it is just a matter of time if you have good densities.

Kinda what I was thinking also. I was looking at land in KY but figured it would eventually chase me there. From a deer standpoint I don't think you can hedge your bet. I just wonder about long term land values. When corn isn't $10/bushel, hunting drives land prices.

 

[bowhunternw]

This is a very interesting topic, I hate the idea of it but unfortunately it will continue to spread. What are the long term effects? I know it has been in Colorado for a very long time, long enough that it has exposed the entire state I am guessing. Seems like hunting is still alive and well there. But the dynamics may be different there and thus the outcome. The thing I hate most is that it is in the soil and there to stay, not like the population will thin and the disease runs its course.

 

[Bill]

Long term? I don't know. Like Wisc says, most deer will die from other causes. NoFo makes a good point , in Wisconsin thier still hunting deer and having success. From articles I read many years ago WI was supposed to be a deer desert by now.

 

[shawnv]

Wisconsin has found trying to eradicate it by killing every deer did not work. They also found that 40% of mature bucks carry cwd(primary carrier) in a cwd area. Not sure how the mature buck part aligns with qdm. Almost all the Wisconsin cases the last 10 years are now coming from kennel deer that escape.It has not affected land prices or deer hunting per se. Imo it's like getting hsv2, no cure, live with it.

They may go back to shooting where a new outbreak has occurred...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wiscon...ns-to-scott-walker-b99711314z1-376617121.html

 

[kl9]

Wisconsin has found trying to eradicate it by killing every deer did not work. They also found that 40% of mature bucks carry cwd(primary carrier) in a cwd area. Not sure how the mature buck part aligns with qdm. Almost all the Wisconsin cases the last 10 years are now coming from kennel deer that escape.It has not affected land prices or deer hunting per se. Imo it's like getting hsv2, no cure, live with it.

I don't know where you get your info, but most CWD cases are not escaped pen deer. Not even close. The vast majority of positives each year come from free ranging deer in the CWD hot zone.

Comparing CO to WI is apples to oranges. We have 30+ DPSM in the CWD hot zone. CO has 5. This influences the disease dynamics in such a substantial way.

CWD will never wipe out a deer herd. That isn't how the disease works. It will, without question, decrease the average age and age structure within a herd.

That isn't to say a few deer won't reach the 4-6 age range... Just a good chunk less than a CWD free area.

 

[Bill]

They may be free range now but MDC has a pretty good argument for where the free range herd got it from.

http://mdc.mo.gov/hunting-trapping/...ting-disease/resource/cwd-setting-record-stra

 

[kl9]

That article is for MO if I'm not mistaken? WI has had CWD much longer? CWD was first discovered in Dane County of WI near a dump site. A few years earlier a UW Madison researcher had disposed of CWD material he had ordered from CO in an effort to study the disease transmission. Not confirmed and likely won't ever be, but CWD likely came to WI in the back of a truck.


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[Bill]

Yep that's MO. Can't speak for WI. I never really studied the where, what and why there.

I wouldn't be surprised by a guy throwing something in a dump. At this point I don't think any state should allow brain/spinal tissue to be brought in from anywhere. Kill it, process it, have it mounted right where it came from.

 

[kl9]

Okay yes on the new areas you are correct. But on all yearly cases that test positive the vast majority are free ranging.


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[Merle Hawggard]

Well I put in for my elk permit today. I plan on doing my part to help with cwd by harvesting a nice bull if they'll just draw my name.

 

[bueller]

I didn't know there was elk down there.

 

[Merle Hawggard]

I didn't know there was elk down there.

We traded Turkey's I think with Colorado for elk back in the 80's. A lot of people have speculated that's how we got cwd too, but who knows. The agfc had a drawing for elk permits every year, but it's hard to get one. I've only know one person that has.