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Jerry-B-WI said:
Did the Chat GPT mention anything about bean farmers getting checks from the government to help replace the the lost sales to China?
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All I can show is total payments. The money was paid to more than just bean farmers.
The "Market Facilitation Program" originated by executive order and was aimed at providing revenue lost to farmers because of the Trumpian action imposing tariffs. The COVID pandemic complicated the issue bringing Trump to another executive order to buy votes, ummmm, ummmm, compenstate farmers for lost revenue because of more lost sales. Where did the money come from and how is it that a sitting president unilaterally gets to allocate money?

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Where’s the checks cut to builders and developers for high interest rates caused by bad fiscal policy set forth by the government that all but stalled out the housing market the last two years?
 
FarmerDan said:
All I can show is total payments. The money was paid to more than just bean farmers.
The "Market Facilitation Program" originated by executive order and was aimed at providing revenue lost to farmers because of the Trumpian action imposing tariffs. The COVID pandemic complicated the issue bringing Trump to another executive order to buy votes, ummmm, ummmm, compenstate farmers for lost revenue because of more lost sales. Where did the money come from and how is it that a sitting president unilaterally gets to allocate money?

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The same place that money comes from to fund the subsidies, the American taxpayer

bill
 
FarmerDan said:
All I can show is total payments. The money was paid to more than just bean farmers.
The "Market Facilitation Program" originated by executive order and was aimed at providing revenue lost to farmers because of the Trumpian action imposing tariffs. The COVID pandemic complicated the issue bringing Trump to another executive order to buy votes, ummmm, ummmm, compenstate farmers for lost revenue because of more lost sales. Where did the money come from and how is it that a sitting president unilaterally gets to allocate money?

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The same way a sitting president unilaterally gets to commute the sentence of 37 death row inmates

bill
 
TreeDaddy said:
The same way a sitting president unilaterally gets to commute the sentence of 37 death row inmates

bill
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I wouldn't know anything about that Bill! And it has nothing to do with the subject, but that's never been an issue here - has it? You are a smart guy but it seems you are a little touchy right now. Two posts in rapid succession? It's always fun to ask leading questions. Interesting to see what hackles get raised. I know where Trump found the money and he was within his right but it was a contentious stretch. Kinda' funny to me.
 
Howboutthemdawgs said:
You mean killing an industry in favor of the flavor of the month such as solar and wind which is notoriously unreliable, inefficient and maybe a worse stain on the landscape than coal? Are the thousands upon thousands of coal industry employees livelihoods not worth saving? What about the rich history of coal communities and generations of families that were shaped by being coal folks…you know, like the family farmer.

What I’m saying is the government meddling in the sustainability of any industry seems wrong.
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I agree to a point. But the Federal government has almost always "meddled" in many industries to one extent or another with special finance deals, subsidies, loans, tax incentives, commerce laws and regulations, and much more. The government seems to be entangled in almost all business to one extent or another. One thing they don't do for most tho.....is assure your sustainability as they do with agriculture support programs.

EDIT: we likely have low food prices as a result of many of the ag programs.
 
Grain markets were bad under Trump. They were much better under FJB. Dems have historically been more farmer friendly. You can actually tell that in the responses here. Although market forces aren't always political. I'm still voting for the R 100 out of 100 times.
 
FarmerDan said:
I wouldn't know anything about that Bill! And it has nothing to do with the subject, but that's never been an issue here - has it? You are a smart guy but it seems you are a little touchy right now. Two posts in rapid succession? It's always fun to ask leading questions. Interesting to see what hackles get raised. I know where Trump found the money and he was within his right but it was a contentious stretch. Kinda' funny to me.
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FarmerDan said:
I wouldn't know anything about that Bill! And it has nothing to do with the subject, but that's never been an issue here - has it? You are a smart guy but it seems you are a little touchy right now. Two posts in rapid succession? It's always fun to ask leading questions. Interesting to see what hackles get raised. I know where Trump found the money and he was within his right but it was a contentious stretch. Kinda' funny to me.
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see post #67

bill
 
TreeDaddy said:
Nahhhhhhhh

But if any of you tree tube homos start asking for subsidies to buy tubes...............

bill
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That's funny. But it's also relevant. Look how many cost share, equip, crp threads are here. Even guys who hate farmer welfare love farmer welfare.
 
Mortenson said:
That's funny. But it's also relevant. Look how many cost share, equip, crp threads are here. Even guys who hate farmer welfare love farmer welfare.
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Also a subtle reference to the line in " Stripes" where Francis warns the homos not to touch his belongings, etc

bill
 
Foggy47 said:
I agree to a point. But the Federal government has almost always "meddled" in many industries to one extent or another with special finance deals, subsidies, loans, tax incentives, commerce laws and regulations, and much more. The government seems to be entangled in almost all business to one extent or another. One thing they don't do for most tho.....is assure your sustainability as they do with agriculture support programs.

EDIT: we likely have low food prices as a result of many of the ag programs.
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100% agree. Governments in everything. I’m gonna stop litigating the same belabored point after this, but if you agree to the universal truth that food water and shelter are tantamount to human survival, the builder is no less important than the farmer. So to artificially prop up one while hamstringing another is the height of hypocrisy. Now, I’d rather they prop up neither and let market forces shake out but we know that’s not going to happen.
 
Jerry-B-WI said:
Did the Chat GPT mention anything about bean farmers getting checks from the government to help replace the the lost sales to China?
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If I asked it the right way I bet it would.
 
Foggy47 said:
I agree to a point. But the Federal government has almost always "meddled" in many industries to one extent or another with special finance deals, subsidies, loans, tax incentives, commerce laws and regulations, and much more. The government seems to be entangled in almost all business to one extent or another. One thing they don't do for most tho.....is assure your sustainability as they do with agriculture support programs.

EDIT: we likely have low food prices as a result of many of the ag programs.
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I'll struggle to make this point well. The govt puts out these giant reports several times a year, and small reports more often, that to many farmers, feel unfair and unnecessary. Guessing the size of the crop at varying stages while not even being grown yet, guessing the acres, guessing usage and demand, etc etc... reporting it to the world. Letting the whales and algos run wild with it. It's a sickening feeling to watch the Usda throw out some BS numbers that have no accountability and then watch the markets crash down the trading limit on day 1, followed by expanded limits on following days. They adjust the balance sheets however they see fit, usually after you gave up and sold your entire crop at Kmart blue light special. Sometimes they fix the books a year or two later. So back to my point - I know reports like this are a part of other industries, but to what extent? What's the housing equivalent to knocking two bucks off the price of soybeans in a week?
 
Mortenson said:
I'll struggle to make this point well. The govt puts out these giant reports several times a year, and small reports more often, that to many farmers, feel unfair and unnecessary. Guessing the size of the crop at varying stages while not even being grown yet, guessing the acres, guessing usage and demand, etc etc... reporting it to the world. Letting the whales and algos run wild with it. It's a sickening feeling to watch the Usda throw out some BS numbers that have no accountability and then watch the markets crash down the trading limit on day 1, followed by expanded limits on following days. They adjust the balance sheets however they see fit, usually after you gave up and sold your entire crop at Kmart blue light special. Sometimes they fix the books a year or two later. So back to my point - I know reports like this are a part of other industries, but to what extent? What's the housing equivalent to knocking two bucks off the price of soybeans in a week?
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The fed having a hawkish tone based on them guessing tariffs and deporting illegal criminals will be inflationary causing the bond market to rally sending the 10 year through the roof causing mortgage rates to follow killing any demand for housing again

And now we wait for bread crumbs of economic data, compiled and reported and later revised by the government, to come out swaying the markets one way or the other impacting rates yet again.

People already cannot afford houses because of the government caused inflation impacting their purchasing power AND their ability to afford/qualify at the rates they have impacted due to mismanagement of financial policy. Oh and things like permit fees, impact fees and lot restrictions making the price before the first bit of dirt is turned to be exponentially higher than it should once again affecting affordability.
 
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I wish housing was more affordable. Do you have any luck building smaller homes? It seems small homes are a thing of the past, partially because of govt. Rules exist you can't build a small house on many lots. Some people want tiny homes... they're hip these days. Good luck finding a town or city that allows that. Seems a great opportunity to stay busy. How can you make that happen?

Here developments occur when the municipalities and the developers beat each other up a little bit over who pays what and they either make it happen or move along. What about TIF districts? Do those exist where you work? Our local "big" town is 10k pop and they're looking for house lots. Houses are getting built. In a state where people can't find the exit door soon enough.

I would love to build a house at our hunting farm. But I love the 160K I paid for this thrice used house and the 3.5% loan rate even more. My wish for my kids having their own bedrooms doesn't surpass my desire to instead use that money to hopefully again buy more farmground and help leave a legacy for the next gen. If I change my mind, I'm definitely calling you, Dawgs, to come build.
 
lol well thanks! I’ll even do it for one of your giant bucks and call it good!

So you hit on the struggle I, and a lot of us have. How can you build to where the typical working class family can afford now. It’s getting so damn difficult that you are extremely limited in your options. Lot costs have risen to the point that a sub 400k home anywhere near me is almost impossible. You start pushing further and further out and cutting things out of the house but at some point you don’t have a market anymore. That’s about the current state for a lot of folks. There are guys still doing extremely well in affluent areas as those buyers are more immune to market conditions. It’s a slow plodding grind that is 100% because of the government and that is frustrating. The desire and, in different conditions, the demand is there but the ability to buy is not for now. Hopefully this new administration will kick start something different.

And I don’t want to come off as some anti farmer whacko. I’m obviously not. I rent my ground to a farmer I respect very much. I have friends that make their living row cropping. My issue just lies in giving more and more of tax payer money to an industry that should be able that stand on itself given the fact every human that’s ever lived has to eat. I feel like the reputation of the poor mouthing, everything is bad, farmer is played up by the forces that be to impact policy whether it’s needed or not.
 
Mortenson said:
I wish housing was more affordable. Do you have any luck building smaller homes? It seems small homes are a thing of the past, partially because of govt. Rules exist you can't build a small house on many lots. Some people want tiny homes... they're hip these days. Good luck finding a town or city that allows that. Seems a great opportunity to stay busy. How can you make that happen?

Here developments occur when the municipalities and the developers beat each other up a little bit over who pays what and they either make it happen or move along. What about TIF districts? Do those exist where you work? Our local "big" town is 10k pop and they're looking for house lots. Houses are getting built. In a state where people can't find the exit door soon enough.

I would love to build a house at our hunting farm. But I love the 160K I paid for this thrice used house and the 3.5% loan rate even more. My wish for my kids having their own bedrooms doesn't surpass my desire to instead use that money to hopefully again buy more farmground and help leave a legacy for the next gen. If I change my mind, I'm definitely calling you, Dawgs, to come build.
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I got a comment on the first paragraph above. They build really small homes in AZ that have perhaps 1000 square feet. These homes (mostly) have two bedrooms and a kitchen, bath and living room. They are only about 5 feet from the next home. Very dense housing area. No garages, very little "green space" but will have a shared playground and many have a community pool too. Also they have security gates.

Fairly decent construction. The issue is.....they are not for sale. Lease only. Much like an appartment....but they are individual homes. Often they will have a hundred or more homes in one of these developments. I suppose the investors are counting on inflation. They seem to all be leased almost as fast as these developments are built.

Crazy growth area I live near......the fastest in the nation.........and these and various apartments and condo's and single family homes are going up like crazy. Also big commercial and industrial growth. I've never witnessed this kinda growth in the midwest. It's nuts.
 
^^^^^^^Same type of thing here but duplexes and triplexes with one car garages. Block after city black of them, people are renting them as retirement homes they are two bedroom right around 1000 sq ft $1K-$1500 a month.
They get moved into as soon as they are built.
 
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