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Howboutthemdawgs

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As I sat behind several big 100 plus hp tractors pulling enclosed work trailers down the highway at 30 mph, I have wondered about their convictions many times. So they can’t drive a truck to work but they can drive a cabbed a/c heat radio tractor with essentially truck tires, pulling a $15000 8x12 covered trailer full of modern tools. I’m totally supportive of them embracing their convictions but this one annoys me. Don’t hold up traffic pretending to stand for something. They will drive that tractor 30 miles or more from what I’ve seen. Get a truck and do the speed limit!
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There’s an Amish meat locker by Princeton Missouri , nice people . Their electrical refrigeration units probably cost more than some people’s homes !

I took a deer there and they lost my venison (actually gave it away to another guy by accident)….Traded me beef 🥩 instead. My wife said I hope they lose the venison every year !!
 
It's all a big scam. They're not a homogeneous group, apparently. If a bunch of them want to drink and smoke they just start their own church with their own bishop and make up their own rules. Many of them use electricity in secret, and many bishops allow the use of electricity in commerce. I've seen at least a few Amish hunting camps with solar panels. They also have a bad reputation regarding their treatment of animals, but I haven't witnessed it myself.

The more you learn about them, the more they seem like a gang or a cult rather than a religion. I avoid them whenever possible.
 
Telemark said:
It's all a big scam. They're not a homogeneous group, apparently. If a bunch of them want to drink and smoke they just start their own church with their own bishop and make up their own rules. Many of them use electricity in secret, and many bishops allow the use of electricity in commerce. I've seen at least a few Amish hunting camps with solar panels. They also have a bad reputation regarding their treatment of animals, but I haven't witnessed it myself.

The more you learn about them, the more they seem like a gang or a cult rather than a religion. I avoid them whenever possible.
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And…aren’t they largely tax exempt? I looked up this group by me and they are allowed to have electricity. I’m like at what point are you just a group of guys with weird beards and women with ugly dresses running a scam under the guise of a religion?
 
jsasker007 said:
In my opinion a group that plays games with our country in general with what seems like endless support is the native americans(indians). They get way too much special treatment and abuse the piss out of it. jmo
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Well the entire system is legalized racism and ghettoization. The lack of regulation on reservations has led to various native groups dealing in tobacco, cannabis, and gambling all over North America. What could possibly go wrong? They literally operate as legal mafia.

If I were king for a day I would abolish the reservation system and have the law apply to everyone equally.
 
Telemark said:
Well the entire system is legalized racism and ghettoization. The lack of regulation on reservations has led to various native groups dealing in tobacco, cannabis, and gambling all over North America. What could possibly go wrong? They literally operate as legal mafia.

If I were king for a day I would abolish the reservation system and have the law apply to everyone equally.
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The whole casino thing isn't doing anyone any good as far as I can tell.
 
Howboutthemdawgs said:
And…aren’t they largely tax exempt? I looked up this group by me and they are allowed to have electricity. I’m like at what point are you just a group of guys with weird beards and women with ugly dresses running a scam under the guise of a religion?
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I'm a generation removed from it and hunt almost exclusively with Amish. In NO WAY are they tax exempt. That's a farce.

I speak the language fluently, and was raised in a Mennonite church.

I'll tell you that the guys I hunt with are better deer and land managers than I am. Passing on 150"+ deer becuase he's only 3. But there are some bad ones who give all of them a bad name.

It's confusing and nuanced in what they believe and why the believe it. There is a lot of works based things going on, a lot of parallels to Catholicism and their works based beliefs. But there are good ones, and bad ones. Just like methodists, Presbyterians, etc.

Their belief system revolves around what their leadership/bishop say is ok. And they generally blindly follow it, which is not how Christian faith is supposed to be.

Cars- wrong
Tractors with camping chairs and utility trailers- ok
E-Bikes- OK
flip phones- OK
Smart Phones- Not Ok unless its work related
Amazon boxes on the doorstep- ok


It's a series of rules. Has some cultish elements, yet their sense of family and community is something we could all learn something from.

They make darn good hunting blinds too.
 
Things I've seen around my place

Tractors with bar tires mounted backwards for a smoother ride on blacktop
Stand and Mow mowers being rode down the road to get to the grocery store for milk and eggs
cabless tractors with fabricated cabs becuase their church doesn't allow cabbed tractors, but if you make it ugly and build it yourself, it's cool
No trail cameras being allowed on their property, so they get permission and hang it on the neighbors ground pointed into their property
Niche businesses where an English person owns 30 freezers in storage barns and they rent the freezer and electric to a community of families to keep their meat frozen
Buggies with underglow lights and a sound system (the 18 year old ruffians)
The best pan fried chicken you've ever eaten
Spending 100k+ on a propane based AC unit in their house because electric is not allowed

It's a wild wild world out there boys...
 
Local guy hired a few Amish to do some work and I believe they could use modern equipment that he had but couldn't have some of the same equipment for themselves?
 
I don't think I've had any kind of food from the Amish that wasn't delicious. Amish raised chickens were fantastic and the Amish peanut brittle was soooo damn good. Now I'm getting hungry.
 
Anyone that works hard and lives honestly has my respect. But, yes it would be better if the could go faster on the roads. The one neighboring town has an Amish community near town and I hardly have ever seen them. Must not go out much.
 
I used to have a local Amish women who butchered my meat chickens for $2 per bird. It was well worth it. I haven't raised any for a few years but might do it again this summer. Just like everywhere there are good an bad in everything, except the Democrats LOL.
 
Few years ago I was driving down the highway and there was this car driving way too slow. I was getting a little heated because I couldn't get around the annoying slow poke. I finally had a chance to get around and started passing. When I got next the car I took a quick look over and that's when I realized it was my 65 year old mother. She had no idea that it was me going by. Glad I didn't start laying on the horn. lol
 
Howboutthemdawgs said:
As I sat behind several big 100 plus hp tractors pulling enclosed work trailers down the highway at 30 mph, I have wondered about their convictions many times. So they can’t drive a truck to work but they can drive a cabbed a/c heat radio tractor with essentially truck tires, pulling a $15000 8x12 covered trailer full of modern tools. I’m totally supportive of them embracing their convictions but this one annoys me. Don’t hold up traffic pretending to stand for something. They will drive that tractor 30 miles or more from what I’ve seen. Get a truck and do the speed limit!
Rant over
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I'm putting my academic hat on for this thread: To lump "Amish" into one group is not much different than saying "All Baptists are alike" or "All Kansas Citian's believe...." There are two major groups of Amish in America--Old Order and New Order. Amish do not consider "technology or advancement evil" but rather, technology and advancement, if left untamed, will undermine worthy traditions and accurate assimilation into the surrounding society. Mass Media is especially concerning as it introduces foreign values into their culture.

Horse-and-buggy transport helps keep the community anchored to its geographical base.

That said, many of their practices perplex outsiders, since they are cultural adaptions determined by the individual "rule of law" (the Ordnung). These can--and do--change over time, and differ from community to community. Often times, leadership (the bishop) may give temporary approval to allow a new technology or practice before codifying it in the Ordnung.

Some Amish fit the classical definition of a cult, whereas others are aligned with Christian fundamentalism. As with every fabric of society, there are good apples and bad apples in each community.
 
roymunson said:
I'm a generation removed from it and hunt almost exclusively with Amish. In NO WAY are they tax exempt. That's a farce.

I speak the language fluently, and was raised in a Mennonite church.

I'll tell you that the guys I hunt with are better deer and land managers than I am. Passing on 150"+ deer becuase he's only 3. But there are some bad ones who give all of them a bad name.

It's confusing and nuanced in what they believe and why the believe it. There is a lot of works based things going on, a lot of parallels to Catholicism and their works based beliefs. But there are good ones, and bad ones. Just like methodists, Presbyterians, etc.

Their belief system revolves around what their leadership/bishop say is ok. And they generally blindly follow it, which is not how Christian faith is supposed to be.

Cars- wrong
Tractors with camping chairs and utility trailers- ok
E-Bikes- OK
flip phones- OK
Smart Phones- Not Ok unless its work related
Amazon boxes on the doorstep- ok


It's a series of rules. Has some cultish elements, yet their sense of family and community is something we could all learn something from.

They make darn good hunting blinds too.
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I have me their blinds that’s funny you mention them. I inherited when I bought the land but it’s awesome.
 
Missed a great photo opportunity a couple years ago, saw a traditional black Amish buggy going down the road with a bright green rotomolded kayak on the roof. The contrasts of color and culture were striking.

My other related chuckle was years ago my friends and I were in Cabela's in PA and there was a stunningly beautiful Amish (or Mennonite?) women in the store. My friend leaned over and said to me... "There's a good women for you... she's used to living without electricity." 😄
 
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