15 year old cutover

CRP stands for Conservation Reserve Program. Typically, it's taking ground out of production ag and putting it into a mix of NWSG and those are longer term, like 15 years or so. But, you get payments each year. EQIP is, you do the practice, they check it, you get paid, they make sure you haven't changed anything during the life of the contract. But, after the contract end, you're free to do as you wish. I've been awarded mine in the same year I applied. The application process was pretty smooth. If you don't have a farm number, you get one from the FSA office which is typically where the NRCS office is. Being out of state, I did almost every bit of the paperwork process online, and it wasn't a big deal at all.
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Wow, ok. And they use the term "farm" loosely i suppose. My land is just trees and a narrow shooting lane about 600 yards long with one path down the middle. I dont even have a barn. Thank you for the information, this very interresting....alright you other 5 year old bucks, time to chime in before i sell my soul to the devil.
 
As for which trees to cut ....... our camp has done several loggings over the last 25 years. Our foresters told us that pines will regenerate quickly, so they told us to cut them first. The foresters told us, "you won't run out of pines - they seed in quickly." We only took out diseased / damaged oaks and hickories, leaving 90% of them for regen & hard mast (nuts). Most of what we cut was red maple & pines. We left the few tulip poplars & black cherries we have for seed purposes. Sunlight getting to the ground = good for growing native forbs & sprouting new growth.

Hint - putting cages on the freshly-cut stumps of maples and oaks causes rapid regrowth of stump-sprouts by keeping deer from browsing them to the dirt. We got lots of quick, deer-level cover and browse by caging the stumps. After a couple years, we took the cages off, and by then the regrowth from the stumps was big enough that deer browsing didn't kill them. The quick regrowth of stump sprouts is due to the trees you cut down having well-established root systems with lots of stored energy in them. Those roots want to push new growth / leaves for photosynthesis to stay alive. Use nature to your benefit ........ for FREE!!!! (Only cost is cage material - but no seedlings need be purchased & planted to get fresh cover & browse.)

Hope this is of some help.
 
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Wow, ok. And they use the term "farm" loosely i suppose. My land is just trees and a narrow shooting lane about 600 yards long with one path down the middle. I dont even have a barn. Thank you for the information, this very interresting....alright you other 5 year old bucks, time to chime in before i sell my soul to the devil.
I'm not sure about NC. In Kentucky, I had a hay/timber land. I think the requirement was anything over 10 acres could be considered a farm. You'll want to check with the local FSA office. They have maps. I just showed them on the map book where my place was and they said, ok. It was different for me too, calling land a "farm". I've always called it property or land. Yes, definitely check around and see if it makes sense for you. The way I got into it was, I contacted my local private lands biologist with Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife. They give free advice and mine was a huge wealth of info. He told me exactly what to ask for at the NRCS office. They work closely together in Kentucky. He walked the property with me, just pointing out different plants and answering questions. That was one of the best things I've done.
 
As for which trees to cut ....... our camp has done several loggings over the last 25 years. Our foresters told us that pines will regenerate quickly, so they told us to cut them first. The foresters told us, "you won't run out of pines - they seed in quickly." We only took out diseased / damaged oaks and hickories, leaving 90% of them for regen & hard mast (nuts). Most of what we cut was red maple & pines. We left the few tulip poplars & black cherries we have for seed purposes. Sunlight getting to the ground = good for growing native forbs & sprouting new growth.

Hint - putting cages on the freshly-cut stumps of maples and oaks causes rapid regrowth of stump-sprouts by keeping deer from browsing them to the dirt. We got lots of quick, deer-level cover and browse by caging the stumps. After a couple years, we took the cages off, and by then the regrowth from the stumps was big enough that deer browsing didn't kill them. The quick regrowth of stump sprouts is due to the trees you cut down having well-established root systems with lots of stored energy in them. Those roots want to push new growth / leaves for photosynthesis to stay alive. Use nature to your benefit ........ for FREE!!!! (Only cost is cage material - but no seedlings need be purchased & planted to get fresh cover & browse.)

Hope this is of some help.
Yes sir, thank you. Im definitely on the "mineral stump" train
As for which trees to cut ....... our camp has done several loggings over the last 25 years. Our foresters told us that pines will regenerate quickly, so they told us to cut them first. The foresters told us, "you won't run out of pines - they seed in quickly." We only took out diseased / damaged oaks and hickories, leaving 90% of them for regen & hard mast (nuts). Most of what we cut was red maple & pines. We left the few tulip poplars & black cherries we have for seed purposes. Sunlight getting to the ground = good for growing native forbs & sprouting new growth.

Hint - putting cages on the freshly-cut stumps of maples and oaks causes rapid regrowth of stump-sprouts by keeping deer from browsing them to the dirt. We got lots of quick, deer-level cover and browse by caging the stumps. After a couple years, we took the cages off, and by then the regrowth from the stumps was big enough that deer browsing didn't kill them. The quick regrowth of stump sprouts is due to the trees you cut down having well-established root systems with lots of stored energy in them. Those roots want to push new growth / leaves for photosynthesis to stay alive. Use nature to your benefit ........ for FREE!!!! (Only cost is cage material - but no seedlings need be purchased & planted to get fresh cover & browse.)

Hope this is of some help.
Yes sir, thank you. I am definitely on the "mineral stump" train. I have a few getting attention now with cameras up on them. I had not heard of caging them for a year to keep them alive indefinitely. I might as well try a few like that of different species.
 
Each person can determine for themselves how long to keep cages on. We kept our cages on for 2 years on the maples - 3 years on the oaks, which grow slower. We wanted to provide cover and browse - without letting the deer hammer the sprouts to death. The maples, in particular, grew fast enough to push good browse out through the cages - which the deer happily ate - without killing the entire clump of stump sprouts. We used concrete re-mesh for our cages. The 6" x 6" square holes let lots of goodies grow out of the cages for the deer to munch on, but the new growth kept growing.
 
Each person can determine for themselves how long to keep cages on. We kept our cages on for 2 years on the maples - 3 years on the oaks, which grow slower. We wanted to provide cover and browse - without letting the deer hammer the sprouts to death. The maples, in particular, grew fast enough to push good browse out through the cages - which the deer happily ate - without killing the entire clump of stump sprouts. We used concrete re-mesh for our cages. The 6" x 6" square holes let lots of goodies grow out of the cages for the deer to munch on, but the new growth kept growing.
Yes, i would imagine the need for cages would also be relative to the ratio of what is provided and how many deer will be using them (i.e. graze pressure). For example, right now in this cut over im dealing with multiple stump sprouts, mostly maple, that each have a dozen plus "trees" growing out of the same stump, like a medusa. Its ugly. They are all around 3-4" thick and around 18' tall. I guess this could have been because they were less desirable at the time because of the particular tree beimg less palatable for who knows what reason, but at any rate they didnt get browsed to death. Im going back now and cutting them all off at 1-2' high, except maybe one or two of the biggest. Im hoping this makes a real salad bowl for them.
 
Some states have wildlife biologists that will come to your place free of charge and help you put together a timber stand improvement plan. I also recommend you call a couple of professional foresters before he you cut anything. Show them your plan or explain what you are wanting to do. Select one you are comfortable with. They will cruise the property and give you an estimate of how much the timber is worth, they will bring in 3 or for loggers and have them bid on the project, they will handle the contract with the loggers and hand you a check before the first tree is cut. They take a small % as their fee. Having a professional forester come in was the best decision we ever made.
 
Some states have wildlife biologists that will come to your place free of charge and help you put together a timber stand improvement plan. I also recommend you call a couple of professional foresters before he you cut anything. Show them your plan or explain what you are wanting to do. Select one you are comfortable with. They will cruise the property and give you an estimate of how much the timber is worth, they will bring in 3 or for loggers and have them bid on the project, they will handle the contract with the loggers and hand you a check before the first tree is cut. They take a small % as their fee. Having a professional forester come in was the best decision we ever made.
Thank you, this exactly what i have done. In fact, your description is how i would have said it. It was fascinating to me and what set me on this coarse of habitat management. There are three other areas, about 3-8 acreas each, that are dense 40-50 year old pines. His recomendation was to clear cut these. I also, ran this current cut over treatment by him and he was in favor. He did not mention the EQIP program though.
 
Im going back now and cutting them all off at 1-2' high, except maybe one or two of the biggest. Im hoping this makes a real salad bowl for them.
Good idea. They can be cut back a number of times to get that same result.
 
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Wow, ok. And they use the term "farm" loosely i suppose. My land is just trees and a narrow shooting lane about 600 yards long with one path down the middle. I dont even have a barn. Thank you for the information, this very interresting....alright you other 5 year old bucks, time to chime in before i sell my soul to the devil.
For USDA farm program purposes a fam is defined, loosely, as land in an agricultural enterprise ( a for profit business) eligible for program payments and/or land where NRCS considers there to be a valid natural resource concern. You will need to consult NRCS to ask for an evaluation of your land. They propose and you dispose - although a good local office will work with you. If the land is strictly forest NRCS will have your State Department of Forestry do the evaluation...or that's how it works here in Virginia. States have a lot of individual latitude to establish working relationships and lists of resource concerns. The problem with things like EQUIP is that they tend to be oversubscribed. A certain amount of funding is established each fiscal year and many times the money runs out long before all the approved projects are funded. Such things are contracts and when you accept the money you are bound by terms. Failure to comply requires repaying the funding plus interest for the entire amount.
 
For USDA farm program purposes a fam is defined, loosely, as land in an agricultural enterprise ( a for profit business) eligible for program payments and/or land where NRCS considers there to be a valid natural resource concern. You will need to consult NRCS to ask for an evaluation of your land. They propose and you dispose - although a good local office will work with you. If the land is strictly forest NRCS will have your State Department of Forestry do the evaluation...or that's how it works here in Virginia. States have a lot of individual latitude to establish working relationships and lists of resource concerns. The problem with things like EQUIP is that they tend to be oversubscribed. A certain amount of funding is established each fiscal year and many times the money runs out long before all the approved projects are funded. Such things are contracts and when you accept the money you are bound by terms. Failure to comply requires repaying the funding plus interest for the entire amount.
Thank you for the response. It sounds like I need to reach out and see where the program stands in my area. Seems like the feasibility varies by location.
 
Thank you for the response. It sounds like I need to reach out and see where the program stands in my area. Seems like the feasibility varies by location.
Be sure to ask specifically about what cost share programs are available through both state and federal programs and initiatives. I had our private land specialist over twice (2012 and 2017) and he never mentioned any cost share programs. After I read about EQIP online, I had him come out again and specifically asked enrolling in the EQIP program. I applied that year and were turned down. He came back and re-assessed the project, adding some additional projects I was interested in accomplishing such as 8 acres of cedar removal. The expanded request was approved for 2020-2023 funding. I received the final payment this year and have two more years of maintenance. Here is a link to that journey.

Many states have programs that provide or assist with herbicides for invasive control. There is also excellent training available in most states for using fire as a conservation tool. Good luck on all of your projects.
 
Be sure to ask specifically about what cost share programs are available through both state and federal programs and initiatives. I had our private land specialist over twice (2012 and 2017) and he never mentioned any cost share programs. After I read about EQIP online, I had him come out again and specifically asked enrolling in the EQIP program. I applied that year and were turned down. He came back and re-assessed the project, adding some additional projects I was interested in accomplishing such as 8 acres of cedar removal. The expanded request was approved for 2020-2023 funding. I received the final payment this year and have two more years of maintenance. Here is a link to that journey.

Many states have programs that provide or assist with herbicides for invasive control. There is also excellent training available in most states for using fire as a conservation tool. Good luck on all of your projects.
That all sounds like really good advice and congratulations on your success. Nothing beats experience and this is exactly the feedback i was looking for. Thank you for the well-wishes.
 
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