Love my seedling persimmons

[yoderjac]

If you wanted to plant pollinators you could just plant a few seedlings. Some of them would most certainly be males. Lots of places sell seedlings, and you could also plant some seeds.

However, read the link below from the University of KY. They say that seedless fruit can be set on persimmons without male pollinators.

http://www.uky.edu/ccd/production/crop-resources/fruit/persimmons

I've seen those reports. Do you know if anyone has bagged flowers and still gotten fruit? I've seen some threads where Jerry Lehman talks about self-fruitful persimmons. There were several ideas floated. One was that chestnuts, dust, or some other particle that was the right size was tricking them into thinking they were pollinated. Another was that 60 chromosome persimmons were pollinating them but they are seedless because of the chromosome difference.

I've never seen anything definitive on this where someone bags flowers before they open to prevent anything from entering. UKY is technically correct since parthenocarpically produced fruit means the ovum itself was not fertilized. However from a practical perspective, I think having a pollinator will yield more fruit. If you want the fruit to be seedless and you live in 60 chromosome country, simply don't plant 90 chromosome males. The male 60s are very effective at causing fruit set in 90s.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[Native Hunter]

I've seen those reports. Do you know if anyone has bagged flowers and still gotten fruit? I've seen some threads where Jerry Lehman talks about self-fruitful persimmons. There were several ideas floated. One was that chestnuts, dust, or some other particle that was the right size was tricking them into thinking they were pollinated. Another was that 60 chromosome persimmons were pollinating them but they are seedless because of the chromosome difference.

I've never seen anything definitive on this where someone bags flowers before they open to prevent anything from entering. UKY is technically correct since parthenocarpically produced fruit means the ovum itself was not fertilized. However from a practical perspective, I think having a pollinator will yield more fruit. If you want the fruit to be seedless and you live in 60 chromosome country, simply don't plant 90 chromosome males. The male 60s are very effective at causing fruit set in 90s.

Thanks,

Jack

I don’t know about bagging flowers. It’s hard to find much more info to gain a better understanding of this. I’ve heard the same throries that you mentioned.

 

[ksgobbler]

Clearing some timber and look what I found...
Edit found another when I started looking.

 

[Native Hunter]

Clearing some timber and look what I found...View attachment 21052

Congratulations. When you get some more sunlight to that tree - watch out!!

 

[ksgobbler]

Yes I found a larger one when I started looking around. These are in the area I am supposed to clear for quail. Having some second thoughts. They are only offering $300, however I signed a contract and would feel bad breaking my word. A man doesnt have much but if his word is no good.

 

[Skelly]

Clearing some timber and look what I found...
Edit found another when I started looking.
View attachment 21052
View attachment 21053

That’s awesome.

 

[Skelly]

Yes I found a larger one when I started looking around. These are in the area I am supposed to clear for quail. Having some second thoughts. They are only offering $300, however I signed a contract and would feel bad breaking my word. A man doesnt have much but if his word is no good.

Not really breaking your word if scenario changes. Not sure what the deal is but usually explaining that new info can change a decision.

 

[ksgobbler]

She said if its just a few persimmons leave them since so many different animals utilize them. Ill continue clearing the honey locust and hedge around them to give them so sunlight. I cant find a nearby mail tree. I guessbit could be on the neighbors place across the road.

 

[Skelly]

Cool

 

[yoderjac]

Yes I found a larger one when I started looking around. These are in the area I am supposed to clear for quail. Having some second thoughts. They are only offering $300, however I signed a contract and would feel bad breaking my word. A man doesnt have much but if his word is no good.

Are there any time limits on the contract? The problem with a large persimmon that has grown in a woodlot is that had depended on surrounding trees for protection. I find it best to release them slowly over a couple years to allow it to adapt and stiffen in the wind before full exposure. My guess is that if you talk to the biologist responsible for the contract (I presume it is USDA or some state program), they would probably be fine with leaving a select tree or two. Quail need openings but they also need roost/escape cover. If it is in a hedgerow, you probably don't need to worry about slow release. I'd check into it. A female that old can be a real prize...(at least that is what my wife tells me).

Thanks,

Jack

 

[ksgobbler]

The remaining trees have to be cut down by Mar 31. These are on the southern aspect of a woody ditch with a layer of honey locusts between them and the south wind.

 

[yoderjac]

The remaining trees have to be cut down by Mar 31. These are on the southern aspect of a woody ditch with a layer of honey locusts between them and the south wind.

If it is that open, it may stand the quick release. I'd chat with the biologist on the govt end responsible for the contract. They may be willing to amend it to allow the single tree.

 

[ksgobbler]

Found 3 more persimmon seedlings between 3 and 5 ft tall as I cut out more locust. I wish these were further than 30 yards off the road. Its a dead end that rarely sees traffic but still.

 

[ksgobbler]

Are there threads here about the top working. Ive found quite a few persimmons when I got the shit trees cleared out.

Thinking about planting 25 more along the ditch downstream of my pond.

 

[yoderjac]

Are there threads here about the top working. Ive found quite a few persimmons when I got the shit trees cleared out.

Thinking about planting 25 more along the ditch downstream of my pond.

Here are some threads. The first is my experience bark grafting persimmons in the field with lots of pictures and references. The next one talks about varieties for deer, and the last shows some experimenting with bench grafting indoors:

http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/sex-change-operation-transfered-from-qdma-forum.5547/
http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.p...ies-for-deer-transfered-from-qdma-forum.5564/
http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.p...d-persimmon-transferred-from-qdma-forum.5565/

Thanks,

Jack

 

[TreeDaddy]

google up quality whitetails june-july 2011 for article "Grafting Persimmons,Step 1" by David Osborn and Karl Miller

bill

 

[yoderjac]

google up quality whitetails june-july 2011 for article "Grafting Persimmons,Step 1" by David Osborn and Karl Miller

bill

Yes, that was the starting point for my first link above. I had some very informative email discussions with David Osborn after he wrote that article. He is a great guy and really knows his stuff. He was also the one who got me started experimenting with Jujube.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[TreeDaddy]

i apologize for being redundant

I posted before reviewing the links

bill

 

[yoderjac]

i apologize for being redundant

I posted before reviewing the links

bill

Nothing to apologize for. Folks shouldn't have to follow the link to find the QW article and give David credit for spawning my effort!

 

[Native Hunter]

I'm Rich....I'm Rich.........'m Rich....!!!!!!!!!!!!
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