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A good 3 year old buck
What is your favorite persimmon for wildlife use?
Meder and Morris burton are the only common persimmon names on the chart. There seems to be no authority for naming persimmons. I have the Claypool orchard records. He laid out his orchard and numbered the trees by location. He did a bunch of crossing trying to commercialize persimmons. He rated them an a variety of factors. Some of those persimmons were very precocious but had some characteristics that were not highly suitable for the commercial market like black spots on them. I'm seeing a lot of nurseries take these varieties and put "Deer" in the name and sell them at a premium to deer hunters.Drop Time Chart
There is a time when a fruit matures, a period that a fruit will fall free from the tree and remains palatable. This is a fruit ripening and drop time chartbluehillwildlifenursery.com
Troubled Trees sent me this site the other day. He's in central PA but I believe he ships. He has a few varieties of persimmons that specifically drop in the fall.
I'm fortunate to have a pasture that has several hundred native persimmons growing on it. They are 60 chromasome. I have been grafting Kaki and 90 chromasome stuff since 2016.
I'm trying to decide on what new cultivars that I might want to order scion wood for. I have enough Kaki. If there is a Kaki x Virginia cross that drops without the help of a coon, I would be interested in that. I have some 60 c stuff that gives me fruit dropping into December.
I'm wondering if I need to buy some male 90 c wood to graft around the 90 c stuff that I have growing. I've heard that some varieties set fruit without being pollenated. So far, I've set fruit on John Rick, Prok, Early Golden and Deer Magnet. I did not check them for seeds.
Did you happen to ask the people that you talked to about crop set? If 90 c X 60 c will set a heavy crop? Some of my trees are old enough and big enough to set a good bit of fruit this year. I might save my money and see what happens .
Cliff was a great help when I was first starting out with persimmons. He is very knowledgeable. I believe "Deer Magnet" is actually Claypool (now Lehman) 100-29. I can't recall what "Deer Candy" is.Thanks Jack! I noticed the color difference as well, but since that graft died back almost a year ago, I figured that could've played into it as well. It turned black and snapped off real easy. I planted over 100 persimmon seedlings to either leave them grow or serve as a rootstock. I bought Deer Candy in a pot to be able to graft it to some of the seedlings down the road since I know it's a female and it's supposed to drop later. Cliff sells Deer Candy and he's only a 2-hour drive south of me. I figured it would last since we're so close. I will probably end up grafting it, but it's always nice getting a second set of eyes in case I was wrong. Thanks!
Lol...you are mixing Apples and Oranges, or in the case Cultivars and Branding."Deer Candy" is actually a marketing tool for a collection of early persimmons which includes "Prok", "Morris Burton", and "Yates". Per Chestnut Hill. I believe they are shipped to different parts of the country according to expected hardiness. I witnessed a shipment of "Deer Candy" last spring which included all 3 varieties so I checked into it.
They use “Deer Candy Collection” as a brand as opposed to as the name of a cultivar. Additionally, it is questionable as to whether the “Deer Magnet” they advertise is the same cultivar as that which is generally recognized as the Deer Magnet cultivar within the industry.I don't know one way or the other but when I initially saw it I emailed them to figure out which variety it was. They said it was a mistake that they sent several mislabeled pallets. That could be false but that's what I was told. I just sent them those pictures of the failed graft. If I get an answer, I'll let you know.
They have what they label as a “Deer Candy” cultivar as well. However, given their willingness to use the names so losely it is impossible to know whether that is the same genetics as the original Deer Candy cultivar.Kinda crazy that they can label it like that. The tag states Deer Candy drops in late October through November. From what I understand, Prok is an early dropper starting in August and going through September. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me.