It don't make any sense to try debate those things here. There's no upside in battling that out because the boys on Habitat Talk are not going to roll up an MDDI-2 with recommendations on fiscal policy to any governor or president.
Fact is, every generation back to the American Revolution has had problems. Every generation back to the American Revolution has also produced some incredibly influential people that changed the world, and many who'll never get recognized that kept the world moving. It exists today. My generation is full of incredibly ignorant people (the 18-34 crowd). They're getting their education now as they stare at the drop ceiling in the basement bedroom of their parents house wondering where their 20's went. And there are a few of us who'r working hard, raising kids (beating when necessary), saving money, and giving back in whatever way we can.
Only thing up for debate now is whether we rip each other to shreds over politics, deer farms, crossbows, and name calling, or does Habitat Talk live on where men (and I think we had a woman on here for a little while) can go for a few minutes to get away from the wife or job to talk complete habitat jibberish that only makes sense to other habitat goof balls?