Have you tried , everyone makes sweet ciders , a few make hard cider , try apple cider syrup , take cider evaporate off excess liquid same as maple syrup but you start with much sweeter product syrup yield is much higher in relation to gallons used , have made several batches so far this year very sweet intense apple flavor . have been using an open crock pot without lid on high for most of the day then finish the following day on low as I get closer to finished . Now I have to buy evaporation equipment to generate more volume have sampled to people at the orchard and very few don't like the intense apple taste . Going to be a new product for us