Sickening poaching stories

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Bill made a comment on another thread about people shooting from trucks and killing a deer. I can relate a high blood pressure story that happened at my camp a few years ago. We probably all have bad experiences with poaching - share some ?? We might all learn ways to prevent them in the future.

Another camp member and I were archery hunting the 3rd week of October. We had been seeing a really nice 8 pt. that seemed to be hanging on the side of a ridge below our cabin. This area sloped down to the main mountain road, which is a remote poaching route with a history of shooting.

Around 8:30 A.M. we heard a shot down at the road, followed by the sound of a vehicle driving slowly up the mountain. Then 2 more shots and the vehicle sped off over the mountain. We left our tree stands and headed down to the suspected shooting area. After looking all over the area, we found no blood, no drag marks - so we figured they missed.

Later that morning, my hunting partner had to leave the camp to go down to a local store. Only gone about an hour or so, on the way back he saw a drag mark coming down off our land onto the road. The bloody drag mark was about 200 yds. from where we had stopped looking for blood earlier. The slime had come back to pick up the deer - most certainly that 8 pt. - because we never saw him again. Given that it was daylight and in the middle of archery season with people in most of the local camps, we doubt someone would try a stunt like that for just a doe. We've since planted loads of spruce along that road to block any view. Other local camps have done the "spruce wall" too.
 
I dont have any specific stories, but on my land I have an old driveway that is straight, and it is about 500 feet long, and leads to a food plot (old campsite). One year after rifle season I decided I needed to return to the hunting land and put new batteries in my cameras, so I drove back up for the weekend, and I noticed 2 gut piles on the old driveway, and some spent shell casings at the gate of the old driveway. I have brought that up to the neighbors, and they said they will keep an eye, and an ear open. I have since dropped a few well placed trees over the front of the driveway, so no one can see down it, and into the food plot, and I have also planted a few spruce trees on the driveway, but arent very tall yet to do their jobs. I have also added signs, and a few extra cameras along the road, aimed onto my property, not to get vehicle traffic, but to catch trespassers, and poachers. Since, I have only had pictures of 2 neighbors, one hunting quail, and the other using my logging road as a trail to get to the back of his land. Neither had permission, but I brought it up to both of them, and havent had a problem since.
 
It is a very common thing here for idiots to rifle from the road at any time of the year day or night.
During gun season convoys of pickups go by looking for deer moving and fly around the country blocks with their loud diesels or glass pac exhaust blowing their horns to turn deer. One guy out of a big group may have permission to hunt a spot and they all pile out pushing the property with buddies parked along the road to chase anything that comes out.

I'm trying to get my road screen grown up, lots of spruce and a bunch of pines...the deer eat on the pines and beat the shit out of the spruce. I just keep planting conifers and hopefully one day I will get ahead of them good.
 
I have a dirt road (public) through some land I lease. It winds in then make a 90 degree turn on a small field that is known to have deer standing in it. It then goes on about 1/4 mile to a bridge that's out. Two property owners have all the land on both sides of the road. No reason for anyone to be on it yet when rifle season opened it was a parade of trucks that come to that field and turn around. If you question anyone they say "public road" The last few years I put a temporary blind on that field with an orange vest hung from it. That helped. This year my brother got a nice buck during bow season so he sat at the entrance for the first two days of rifle. Lots of turn around, but no one went down the road. We have a vehicle parked down the road from the blind 24/7 when rifle is in. Sometimes we are there, sometimes we're not. Seems the truck being there all night made them nervous enough to have abandoned the route for this season.

We plan on doing this every year going forward.

A few years back my neighbor heard a shot behind my house during Doe season and he zipped over in his side by side. Couldn't find anyone. Later that spring I found one of those 20 guage sabotted to a rifle shell casing on the edge of a food plot. No way it was old and I had never seen it. I figure they got dropped off, shot one and hid when my neighbor came over. Since I've put many visible dummy trail cams up and some real hidden ones.
 
People shooting from the road can cause other things alot worse than losing a deer.I central Kansas a few years ago a poacher that had been previously charged with deer poaching shot at some geese in a field from the road with a high power.Only thing was he picked a cover up decoy to shoot at a struck the young man in the chest.he died in that field.This case is part of the hunter safety classes now
 
People shooting from the road can cause other things alot worse than losing a deer.I central Kansas a few years ago a poacher that had been previously charged with deer poaching shot at some geese in a field from the road with a high power.Only thing was he picked a cover up decoy to shoot at a struck the young man in the chest.he died in that field.This case is part of the hunter safety classes now

..... wow....
 
I just bought a site for our retirement home. It is less than 20 acres. I've been working on the complicated transaction for over a year. I've only owned it for two weeks, but I've been down reviewing surveys and such all summer. On Sunday, my wife and I took a friend down to see it. While she was showing him around, I was putting in Rebar at survey markers so I can find them later with a metal detector. Sure enough, sitting right on the property line is a ladder stand that was not there a few weeks ago.

I checked with the previous owner to make sure he did not give any one permission to hunt there and he had not. I'm now checking with the new neighboring property owner (doesn't live there) to see if it is his or if he gave someone permission. If it is his or someone he authorized, I've got no issue. A few feet on my side or his side of the line is fine with me. More likely though, it is someone who is poaching.

If it is not legitimate, my plan is to first place a few posted signs at the entry and a friendly note on the stand. If it is not gone within a week or so after that, my next step is to chain it to the tree and leave my phone number on a note. It is more important to me to figure out who it belongs at this point.

Thanks,

Jack
 
We had some issues on my parents farm a while ago but it seems to have mostly calmed down in the last five years during hunting season. There are generally less people hunting during rifle season too. My father has never wanted to post the property with no trespassing signs. They have lots of road frontage on open fields that attracts spot lighters and road hunters. One year we had a group set up and drive through the property while we were in for lunch. They dropped off some kids at the upper end of the property to walk through the woods and had adults at the lower end. Shot a deer and gutted it on the neighbor's drive. The neighbor was a little hot about it. They claimed they didn't think we hunted anymore so it was ok. I'd never heard of the guy leading the crew but some others knew he was a low-life criminal background. They were from over in a neighboring township so I have no idea why they decided to hunt on us that day. A little scary to know that a creep like that knows my parents' farm when they didn't know him. They've never been back that I know of. A couple years ago my parents were visiting me on the last weekend of rifle season. We heard from the neighbors that someone drove the property that weekend. I suspect it was my nephew but don't know for sure.
 
People shooting from the road can cause other things alot worse than losing a deer.I central Kansas a few years ago a poacher that had been previously charged with deer poaching shot at some geese in a field from the road with a high power.Only thing was he picked a cover up decoy to shoot at a struck the young man in the chest.he died in that field.This case is part of the hunter safety classes now

That's just awfull. Even the the jerk that shot from the road didn't want that. But his actions caused it. Just such a shame.
 
My best ally against poaching,trespassing etc is my game warden

I can reach him anytime. He can call me at anytime.

bill
 
Yoder,
Just out of curiosity what made you decide on 20 acres for your retirement property?

If you ask the game wardens you think people are poaching on your land do they actually patrol the area?
 
People shooting from the road can cause other things alot worse than losing a deer.I central Kansas a few years ago a poacher that had been previously charged with deer poaching shot at some geese in a field from the road with a high power.Only thing was he picked a cover up decoy to shoot at a struck the young man in the chest.he died in that field.This case is part of the hunter safety classes now
I remember that happening. If I recall correctly him and his brother have been in trouble for hunting crimes since then too.

It's these guys right?
http://www.petersenshunting.com/dee...expo-outs-kansas-poacher-denies-record-claim/
 
I talk to my local game warden all the time, he knows if it's not me or one of my two sons it's a trespasser and I want to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. I see him drive by my place at least once a day during gun season...not intentionally watching my place but keeping an eye on the road hunters that infest the whole area during gun season. And I have made it crystal clear to all my neighbors what I am prepared to do so they can keep anyone hunting on them off me. Once you make an example of one trespasser they know you are serious....word gets around.

If we are not going to hunt or I'm tagged out I sometimes leave a "decoy" vehicle at the farms. I have wife pick me up and drop me off so that it looks like someone is there.
 
Yoder,
Just out of curiosity what made you decide on 20 acres for your retirement property?

If you ask the game wardens you think people are poaching on your land do they actually patrol the area?

Location was a big factor and my wife and I both liked the lay of the land. It is located about 15 minutes from our pine farm where I hunt and about 15 minutes from a college town with excellent health care, sports, theater and services. Because of a major highway, it is far enough away from the town for significantly lower land prices. Before the real estate crash, the area was just starting to be developed so there is a Lowes and Super Walmart just 2 miles from the land. If there is a football game or other major event in the college town that causes traffic problems, we are never forced to go as all the basics are close.

My wife and I both like the lots (There are actually 2 lots). They are not in a development with no HOA. Each lot is 1/2 open and 1/2 in mature oaks. It has a nice view of the mountains in the distance. The seller was fairly motivated. They purchased the lots 20 years ago from a friend who subdivided them from his large tract. They intended to retire there, but over 20 years things changed for them. They had the lots on the market for a while and we happened to drive by when we were first trying to decide what area we wanted to choose. The next time we drove by the real estate sign was gone. Most real estate companies have a period where they place a sold sign up for advertising purposes. Since I didn't see a sold sign, I thought maybe they just got frustrated and took it off the market. I checked the public records and saw no sale so I wrote the homeowner a letter. Turns out they were anxious to sell and we were able to negotiate a good price without any real estate commission. Everything just fell in to place.

We were looking at anything over 5 acres. This one just happened to fit in all the other aspects.

As for the poaching (which I'm not yet sure is poaching), we have several tools here that I can use. Game wardens in our state are call Conservation Police Officers. I know several of them because I teach Hunter Ed and there is a section of each class on game laws taught by a CPO. We don't have enough CPOs in our state. They cover very large areas and they are very busy during the hunting system and need to prioritize responses. In fact, at our pine farm, we gave the game warden's keys to our gates and invited them to come monitor us as well as patrol for poachers. They helped us with several prosecutions in the early years. The sheriff's office can also deal with the trespassing aspect. In VA, hunting private land that is not posted requires verbal permission and posted land requires written permission. For first offences, most judges hand slap. Most trespassers either say they didn't see the signs or say they are retrieving their dog. Unfortunately, our state has dog hunting for deer and exception to the normal trespass laws for dog hunters retrieving their dogs. This privilege is often abused. Another tool we have is a trespass notice. I can complete a trespass notice for anyone whose name and address I know. It is then served by sheriff's deputies. It provides formal notification that the individual names is prohibited to trespass. If they are caught trespassing after one of these is issued, judges take it much more seriously and the fines are hefty and they can even impose jail time in some cases.

Since this is a new property and actually less than 20 acres, I doubt I'll have the same issues as the farm which is much larger. I won't bother a game warden during the season for this unless I meet resistance when I try to deal with it. Also, keep in mind the last thing I want to do is to tick off neighbors as soon as acquiring retirement property in a community. I want to apply just enough pressure to resolve the issue and not to make things worse.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Also, keep in mind the last thing I want to do is to tick off neighbors as soon as acquiring retirement property in a community. I want to apply just enough pressure to resolve the issue and not to make things worse.

Funny the couple that hunt my land in NJ had notes attached to their stands explaining that the adjacent property, a group home for troubled teens, didn't want us trespassing. They left their phone number saying they wanted to speak with neighboring land owners. I called fully prepared to explain they were the ones trespassing and were dumb enough to leave me enough proof to prosecute.

Didn't go there. The man I spoke with explained they found ladder stands on another part of their land and for insurance reasons felt a need to let neighboring owners know no weapons were allowed on the property. He said if it's a short track go get your deer but leave the weapon on the line. If it looks like a long track just call him and he would join in.

Figured it was a plus plus. Permission to retrieve deer and knowledge of a 60 acre sanctuary right next door because no hunting is allowed for liability reasons.....
 
Funny the couple that hunt my land in NJ had notes attached to their stands explaining that the adjacent property, a group home for troubled teens, didn't want us trespassing. They left their phone number saying they wanted to speak with neighboring land owners. I called fully prepared to explain they were the ones trespassing and were dumb enough to leave me enough proof to prosecute.

Didn't go there. The man I spoke with explained they found ladder stands on another part of their land and for insurance reasons felt a need to let neighboring owners know no weapons were allowed on the property. He said if it's a short track go get your deer but leave the weapon on the line. If it looks like a long track just call him and he would join in.

Figured it was a plus plus. Permission to retrieve deer and knowledge of a 60 acre sanctuary right next door because no hunting is allowed for liability reasons.....

Yes, I'm used to dealing with delicate issues. I was one of the founding members of SWMNV, a suburban archery group trying to use archery to deal with our over populated suburbs in northern VA. We ending up in situations where one neighbor was naming deer, feeding them, and treating them like pets where the next neighbor wanted us to use nuclear weapons if necessary to get rid of the deer costing them tens of thousands in landscaping cost not to mention the deer/vehicle collision damage.

Most of these properties were 5 to 10 acres and a few smaller depending on location. When we were asked to support a property, we would first, in street clothes, knock on the doors of neighbors and explain what we were doing to help their neighbor. We would first ask if we could hunt there property as well and if not, ask for tracking permission. We carried tracking permission forms with us as well as program information.

Over the years, I found out that most folks are quiet respectful of their neighbors rights even when they disagreed. Of course, there were a few that would yell in our faces and try to harass us in the field.

I'm hoping this is simply the neighbor himself, or someone to whom he had given permission that simply didn't now exactly where the property line is. More likely, it is someone who simply didn't know who to ask given the previous owner was absentee.

The situation at our farm was quite different. It was owned by a paper company who leased hunting rights to some hunters from the city. They were only there on a few weekends. Because it had a ROW through it, it became a "park" for local kids with ATVs. One local bully actually told folks he had an agreement to control access during the week (not the case) and would organize dog hunts during the week. When confronted by the lease holders, he simply told them that he lived there and they didn't and nothing they could do could stop him from hunting there during the week. He then tried to scam them into giving him permission to control access during the week. They did not. He tried to sweet talk us when we bought it but fortunately we had talked to the previous lease holders. When we would not back down and immediately sent him a registered letter notifying him of the change of ownership and that any previous agreements he had were void, he started his bullying. We next made friends with other large tract holders adjoin us and found he was bullying them as well. Folks who were not resident were worried he would set their cabins on fire since he made references to that. Others would tell him no, but take no action when he ignored that given his reputation.

Bullies are bullies regardless of age. This guys was in his late 60's I would guess. We put up fences and gates and they would be torn down. It was hard to point fingers because he would simply get the kids to do it since they wanted access to "their" ATV park during the summer. We filed a trespass notice on him, his son, and other folks we found that were his associates. His next move was to kill a bunch of young bucks, strip the loins and hams, and hang the carcasses on our fence posts. We then got the game warden involved. Fortunately, the day the game warden paid him a visit he was drunk, got in the game wardens face, and pretty much said that he didn't care who owned the land, he had been hunting there since he was a kid, and nothing the game warden could do would stop him. Well, even though the game warden did not have enough evidence to charge him for poaching those bucks and hanging them on our fence, he decide to make the guy is pet project. For the next year or so, the game wardens followed this guy his dog hunting club. They were watched closely and cited for every violation. It became clear to folks in that club over time why they were in the spotlight.

It took us about 5 years of constant vigilance, reporting, and prosecution where we had evidence to stop both the poaching and ATV trespass. The ATV trespass was just a matter of time. There is not much law enforcement can do with kids of parents don't care, but it was a simple matter of time. Eventually kids out grow ATVs and move on to sports, girls, and cars. The keep was keeping the next generation from using it. The first generation felt like we were taking something from them. For the next generation, it was simply a place they couldn't go. More interesting was that once we started to get law enforcement involved (making sure we did not respond in kind) and got a few prosecutions under out belts, all of the large tract neighbors became much more confident and began standing up to the bullying as well.

I doubt any of this changed the actions of the bullies. It simply redirected their poaching ways to softer targets. So, if it turns out my new retirement property has a real poaching problem, I can handle it. I'm simply not going to jump to that conclusion. I'll apply the level of response necessary to solve it. Less is better. Most folks are not a problem. I've already met a few of my new future neighbors and I plan to meet more as time goes on.

Thanks,

Jack
 
I have friends in encon- those guys are spread crazy thin. If I didn’t have the personal relationship and contact info we couldn’t have had the guys nabbed below.

Here is the bigger issue- the lack of penalty.

We had two chit bags nabbed for shooting deer on our ground from a rail bed wo tags and maybe one didn’t have a license. 8&6 citations and the third guy was never located or named. Word is that after trial in town court- $550 and $250 respectively for fines. That was for trespassing on at least 3 properties, wo a license, refusing to show a back tag, taking a deer wo tag...... and it only cost 2.5xs that of the license and they were the extreme lucky minority actually being caught.

Who the heck would ever be against increasing penalties for poachers to high (15000-50k$) levels?


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My buck from the following yr disappeared off cam in September. Back the first of October w rifle wound (before rifles were legal later that yr). This is 30 min from Buffalo too mind you. Our camp in Allegheny County we don’t even hunt anymore due to the poachers.

Look at all the threads on here regarding feeding deer and dumb sunset laws..... it’s everywhere. Usually it’s just a few rotten apples or pee poor scum bags.... NY its the culture


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Well, I have a positive one for y’all. A Texas judge just recently sentenced a man for poaching...

DALLAS, Texas (KEYE) -- A judge in Grayson County, north of Dallas, has sentenced a man caught poaching a deer to spend weekends during deer hunting season in jail.


Texas Parks and Wildlife says 34-year-old John Walker Drinnon of Whitesboro was convicted of poaching a 19-point white-tailed buck with a rifle in an archery-only county on private property, which is a state jail felony.

The judge ordered Drinnon to spend every weekend of hunting season in jail for the next five years.

Drinnon also received 5 years of probation and must pay over $18,000 in civil restitution.

The judge also prohibited Drinnon from purchasing a hunting license while on probation.
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The same county had a 271” deer poached first weekend of archery season this year. Less flagrant of a violation, but poached none the less.

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Comment on Bill's post #4 - Your story about a stand with an orange vest in it is familiar to me. When we had a section of our property logged that ran along a mountain road at the border of our land, we built a tree stand in a hemlock and put a store mannequin in it / dressed it in orange. The first 4 or 5 years while things started to grow in and thicken again, we put "him" in that tree stand. No shots were fired off the road during that time. The dummy hunter was visible through some other trees along the road, but it couldn't be seen clearly enough to identify as a dummy. It worked !!

EDIT: The dummy was only needed until we planted a ton of Norway & white spruce along that road, and native hemlocks seeded the area. The whole roadside is now a green, living wall. No orange dummies needed.
 
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