reverse of usual graft, Persimmon.

[mikmaze]

I just bought 5 grafted females, not sure if any native stands of persimmon are close enough to get the job done, and I want to ensure I get fruit set. Any way to pick one of the trees and graft a male portion on so it can grow in and among the rest of the branches and set fruit on the others as well? normal graft you remove all of the root stock plant , I would want to work it so I grow a 50 50 tree, a he she to say LOL

 

[chickenlittle]

You can do that. Or maybe order 25 seedlings from the Missouri MDC for $10?

I've thought about grafting a male as our only known male was lost to a storm. Our females have still fruited but maybe not as well?

England's offers some male scionwood.
http://www.nuttrees.net/scion.html

 

[yoderjac]

I just bought 5 grafted females, not sure if any native stands of persimmon are close enough to get the job done, and I want to ensure I get fruit set. Any way to pick one of the trees and graft a male portion on so it can grow in and among the rest of the branches and set fruit on the others as well? normal graft you remove all of the root stock plant , I would want to work it so I grow a 50 50 tree, a he she to say LOL

If you are located in the native range of persimmons, there are likely male trees around you don't know about. They are insect pollinated and can over a mile away and still fertilize your persimmons. However, if you don't think there are any, grafting a couple of male branches will work. There are lots of grafting options for persimmons. Those trees will take quite a few years to be mature enough to produce fruit (I'm presuming they are American persimmons). For grafting individual branches, I think chip budding or T-budding would be good options. By the way, you don't need a 50/50 tree. A 95/5 tree will work just as well.

Oh, and by the way. A female tree with a few male branches also occurs in nature. They call them Perfect trees.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[mikmaze]

thanks guys, never did ask chestnut hill how long till fruit bearing size on their plants. anyone with experience with these particular? and yes, they are native American, Diospyros virginiana.

 

[yoderjac]

I'm sure there is some variation based on location, but native trees in my area take 8-10 years. Grafting to a seedling might cut a couple years off making it 8-10 years. So, it probably depends on how old the seedlings were you bought. If they were a couple years old you may only have 5 or 6 years to wait. Persimmons are not like apples where both the hormones from the mature scion plus the dwarfing root stock come into play in terms of how soon the tree produces fruit. In the case of persimmons, it is only the hormonal difference in the scion that affects when the tree moves from a vegetative state to a fruiting state. I'm sure there is some variability in all this between individual trees and I'm sure climate and soil fertility come into play as well, but persimmons are not quick producers.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[mikmaze]

Not sure of age, but for size, the trees are about 4 feet tall, 3/8th inch just above graft union. for $7.97 ea I could not resist.

 

[144]

thanks guys, never did ask chestnut hill how long till fruit bearing size on their plants. anyone with experience with these particular? and yes, they are native American, Diospyros virginiana.

I purchased some from Chestnut Hill at Walmart last year in 3 gallon size and had multiple persimmons on each tree last year as well as this year. I've pinched off the fruit in order for the tree to put its energy into growth. They were labeled as Big DV on the grafted American persimmons and Ichi on the Japanese persimmons.


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