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Interesting Device for Wet Trail or Road Stabilization

Must be pretty rigid to keep from collapsing under the weight of the fill. Wonder how much work it is to "open" it across the road. I see a lot of stakes holding it in place. My dad used a fabric that you roll out trying to build a road across a swamp years ago. That was supposed to help keep whatever you put on top of it from settling/sinking.
 
jsasker007 said:
Must be pretty rigid to keep from collapsing under the weight of the fill. Wonder how much work it is to "open" it across the road. I see a lot of stakes holding it in place. My dad used a fabric that you roll out trying to build a road across a swamp years ago. That was supposed to help keep whatever you put on top of it from settling/sinking.
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I don't think they are under compression, but tension. The gravel takes the compressive forces while the webbing in under tension to keep the material in place. I could think the material would be "relatively" flexible. My wife is an engineer for the DOT and she got giddy when she first saw this product. They haven't had a chance to use it yet, but she hopes to soon.
 
This stuff works! We use it when building paver patios, if the location seems unstable. Doesn’t seem like much, but it definitely stabilizes the area and solved our issues of settling/excessive movement in those high risk areas. We would have a handful of guys stretching it out as we dump stone (usually 57’s as our base for drainage capabilities) into it, driving on the stone we just dumped.
 
DJN said:
This stuff works! We use it when building paver patios, if the location seems unstable. Doesn’t seem like much, but it definitely stabilizes the area and solved our issues of settling/excessive movement in those high risk areas. We would have a handful of guys stretching it out as we dump stone (usually 57’s as our base for drainage capabilities) into it, driving on the stone we just dumped.
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What does it take for stakes to keep it in place? Is there much tension on the stakes?
 
Could one person do it? It's usually just me when any projects are getting worked on. Is the webbing fairly light weight?
 
jsasker007 said:
Could one person do it? It's usually just me when any projects are getting worked on. Is the webbing fairly light weight?
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For a 10' x 20' section weight is shown as 6.6 lbs.
 
jsasker007 said:
What does it take for stakes to keep it in place? Is there much tension on the stakes?
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It shows that you use landscape fabric stakes to hold down. Zip ties to connect the sections. Here is some more info on installation.

www.agtec.com

AgTec 2 Inch Geocell 8.4ft x 27.4ft Ground Grid 2 – Permeable Gravel Stabilization and Reinforcement Paver for Paths Walkways and Erosion Control

Agtec Geocell can be filled with base layers such as gravel, sand, rock and soil to keep the material in place and greatly increase the strength of the base layer. Cells are 2 inches deep. Covers 230 sq.ft.
www.agtec.com www.agtec.com
 
What stakes we did use were just 10-12” landscape spikes, to somewhat tack in place as we dumped/spread stone into it. It’s a bit of a balance to find the right amount of stretch and keeping those cavities open. We used manpower more than stakes for stretching/holding while filling, but I would say it could be done single handed, just using more stakes at that point. We would actually pull many of our spikes after stone was in place - mesh wasn’t going anywhere after compacting stone into it/over it, and then pavers on top.
We used a few different depths of mesh as well. Normal for us was a 4”, but also came in a 6” and possibly deeper.

Yes, lightweight and manageable in that sense for one person. I’d guess our pieces weighed 50 pounds and would cover 300 sq ft or so.
 
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DJN said:
We would actually pull many of our spikes after stone was in place -
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That's what my next question was but I kinda figured the stakes would have to go so someone doesn't run them over. Thanks for the info and quick response!
 
DJN said:
What stakes we did use were just 10-12” landscape spikes, to somewhat tack in place as we dumped/spread stone into it. It’s a bit of a balance to find the right amount of stretch and keeping those cavities open. We used manpower more than stakes for stretching/holding while filling, but I would say it could be done single handed, just using more stakes at that point. We would actually pull many of our spikes after stone was in place - mesh wasn’t going anywhere after compacting stone into it/over it, and then pavers on top.
We used a few different depths of mesh as well. Normal for us was a 4”, but also came in a 6” and possibly deeper.

Yes, lightweight and manageable in that sense for one person. I’d guess our pieces weighted 50 pounds and would cover 300 sq ft or so.
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DJN ... what type of ground did you use this on? Was it wet?
 
Tree Spud said:
DJN ... what type of ground did you use this on? Was it wet?
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We would mainly use it in areas that had compaction issues. I had a video I took years ago that shows the exact scenario, but of course can’t find it now. It wasn’t wet in the normal sense (standing water or muddy), but after compaction, it was similar to jello. It was holding moisture underneath a layer of dry backfill. It was usually around homes that had been relatively freshly backfilled (new construction that hadn’t sat/settled for a year +).
I do recall using it in a damp, muddy area as well with good results. Granted this was for patios, and not for vehicular traffic, but using this with a layer of geo-textile fabric under it would completely contain your base stone and should keep it from migrating.
 
DJN said:
We would mainly use it in areas that had compaction issues. I had a video I took years ago that shows the exact scenario, but of course can’t find it now. It wasn’t wet in the normal sense (standing water or muddy), but after compaction, it was similar to jello. It was holding moisture underneath a layer of dry backfill. It was usually around homes that had been relatively freshly backfilled (new construction that hadn’t sat/settled for a year +).
I do recall using it in a damp, muddy area as well with good results. Granted this was for patios, and not for vehicular traffic, but using this with a layer of geo-textile fabric under it would completely contain your base stone and should keep it from migrating.
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Yep, thinking the same thing by using the geo-textile fabric.
 
That stuff is used for stabilization, keep the stone from washing away or going downhill. Would be too great in jello spots. That stuff does surive plowing for a period of time, but not forever. MY company has it in a few driveways. Helpful if you can get river rock cheap, because that doesn't stabilize too well.

For mud pits, just got to put stone in until you get a base, or dig out the muck when dry and backfill with stone.

Where I hunt, they just added a new large powerline in the area. The local trucking company was selling railroad tie sections they use to put a temporary plank road down. Lots of traffic stabilizing crane footings, etc... Might be able to find some cheap. many places are preparing for heavy grid loads from electrification of cars, homes, etc...


At camp, the loggers use wood chips pretty often.
 
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