Food plot and stand placupdate

[BJE80]

Here are some update pics of my two plots.


My "big" plot looks pretty good. Good some good groth and they look healthy right now. I wish I would of put Urea down yesterday but the weather man said only 30% of rain. Of course we got 0.25" last night and it may be two weeks before I can do it again.

I set up a ground blind to take advantage on a funnel I created. I should have most if not all deer within bow range from this blind.

I also set up a rut stand which should be great for scent checking bucks. It also will catches the funnel traffic created from the pop up blind.

My back plot got a little wet and isn't doing as well. Just a normal situation on my land. After I get logged it this area should be as dry as the other plot with more sunlight.

My platform blind.

Man I wish I would of put urea down yesterday. :mad:

 

[MoLandOwner]

All looks good!

I would move the ground blind in off the edge in a little more cover if possible. Any deer at my place would be staring at that thing the whole time it was out feeding.

 

[BuckSutherland]

Hey BJ.


Great looking plots! In the future you should scrap using urea and put down AMS instead. Urea is 46% N, and AMS is 21% N and 24% sulfur. The thing with the AMS is it can lay on the ground and the N wont volatilize like it does in urea. It is a little more expensive, but well worth it in a situation like this when late season rain is questionable.

The other thing you could try is ammonium nitrate, but I doubt you can get your hands on it cause they will think your a terrorist.

 

[BJE80]

All looks good!

I would move the ground blind in off the edge in a little more cover if possible. Any deer at my place would be staring at that thing the whole time it was out feeding.

They may. But based off my experience with it being brushed in they should get used to it. They have a good month till the season starts. I wanted to keep it close to the edge to cover to the other side of the plot with the bow. And there wasn't any decent flat spots just inside the woods. So I tucked them in those pine trees. We shall see.

 

[bueller]

Looking good. Should have good deer sightings during bow season on those plots.

I'm looking forward to seeing your after logging pics. Once you get rid of those tall trees along the edge of your plots they should dry out much quicker with all the additional sun and air movement.

 

[BJE80]

MO,

Here is a little bit better picture of my brush in job. Maybe looks a bit better?

 

[BJE80]

Hey BJ.


Great looking plots! In the future you should scrap using urea and put down AMS instead. Urea is 46% N, and AMS is 21% N and 24% sulfur. The thing with the AMS is it can lay on the ground and the N wont volatilize like it does in urea. It is a little more expensive, but well worth it in a situation like this when late season rain is questionable.

The other thing you could try is ammonium nitrate, but I doubt you can get your hands on it cause they will think your a terrorist.

I don't know anything about this but I'm interested in this for sure!

 

[BuckSutherland]

I dont know enough about what other people are spreading on their lawns, but I do use it on mine, and when guys spread their pastures around here they use some.


Be careful applying too much if PH is low. It can be a little acidic. Not enough for me to worry though.

 

[MoLandOwner]

Buck, is AMS what is typically used in lawn fertilizers?

I think 10-10-10 is used most often for lawns.

 

[BJE80]

Will I get the same type results with the AMS being only 21% N? What does the sulfur do for me?

 

[BuckSutherland]

I don't know anything about this but I'm interested in this for sure!

So when I bought for the farm this year I paid around 50 cents/ lb of N from Urea. I paid around 75 cents/ lb for N from AMS. It will be more $$ for the AMS, but timing is critical, so how much more is it really??? Lets say you have one acre of plot. You want 100 lb of actual N. So you would go in and order 217 # of urea that can only be spread ahead of rain or treated with agrotain. Or you would order 476 # of AMS that you can spread at anytime .


Its more product, more work, more expensive, but I would be willing to be bet that you would have spent the $25 and a couple more minutes to spread to not have to worry about hooking that rain while your on the lake drinking beer.



http://www.extension.umn.edu/agricu...ry-macronutrients/sulfur-for-minnesota-soils/

 

[BJE80]

So when I bought for the farm this year I paid around 50 cents/ lb of N from Urea. I paid around 75 cents/ lb for N from AMS. It will be more $$ for the AMS, but timing is critical, so how much more is it really??? Lets say you have one acre of plot. You want 100 lb of actual N. So you would go in and order 217 # of urea that can only be spread ahead of rain or treated with agrotain. Or you would order 476 # of AMS that you can spread at anytime .


Its more product, more work, more expensive, but I would be willing to be bet that you would have spent the $25 and a couple more minutes to spread to not have to worry about hooking that rain while your on the lake drinking beer.



http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/nutrient-management/secondary-macronutrients/sulfur-for-minnesota-soils/

Help me understand why the n does not evaporate and burn like regular Urea does. I want to understand the why aspect.

 

[BuckSutherland]

It has something to do with the chemical form, and I am not a chemist. I just see what is really working on the farm. Urea breaks down right away with the heat. AMS doesnt. It can lay there.


Maybe read this too.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/nutrient-management/nitrogen/fertilizer-urea/

 

[dipper]

I don't know what ams is, but I use polymer coated urea to top dress brassicas. I think that is 44-0-0, and it won't evaporate. It's also a slower release, to reduce leaching.

 

[BJE80]

I don't know what ams is, but I use polymer coated urea to top dress brassicas. I think that is 44-0-0, and it won't evaporate. It's also a slower release, to reduce leaching.

Where do you get this? Local coop? Price difference?

 

[dipper]

Jay mar or any coop should have it. It's a few bucks more a bag, but definitely worth it. I think I paid like $23 for 50 pounds

 

[BJE80]

Jay mar or any coop should have it. It's a few bucks more a bag, but definitely worth it. I think I paid like $23 for 50 pounds

IIRC that is like Potash price. I paid $13.45 per 40 or 50 lbs bag. Can't remember how much they weigh.

 

[BuckSutherland]

I don't know what ams is, but I use polymer coated urea to top dress brassicas. I think that is 44-0-0, and it won't evaporate. It's also a slower release, to reduce leaching.

That is not the greatest idea depending on when you apply it. The product is called ESN. It is just as expensive as AMS without the S. It needs to be incorporated into the soil, not broadcast and left on top. It will float away with heavy rain. The other drawback is that if you are putting it on around mid July or later chances are that the coating is not breaking down enough for your crop to use all the N. The rest is just leaching away in the spring when it becomes available. Most agronomist I know WILL NOT recommend ESN as a topdress.


Instead of going there and getting bags you guys should take the stuff in bulk. A 55 gallon drum or a small stock tank can hold lots of fertilizer. Have the coop load it into the back of truck with forklift and drive away.

 

[BJE80]

That is not the greatest idea depending on when you apply it. The product is called ESN. It is just as expensive as AMS without the S. It needs to be incorporated into the soil, not broadcast and left on top. It will float away with heavy rain. The other drawback is that if you are putting it on around mid July or later chances are that the coating is not breaking down enough for your crop to use all the N. The rest is just leaching away in the spring when it becomes available. Most agronomist I know WILL NOT recommend ESN as a topdress.


Instead of going there and getting bags you guys should take the stuff in bulk. A 55 gallon drum or a small stock tank can hold lots of fertilizer. Have the coop load it into the back of truck with forklift and drive away.

How much do you think 50/lbs of urea would cost bulk? Or by the pound and I can figure it out. Just wondering what the savings are.

 

[BuckSutherland]

Urea is probably 450 ton
AMS 350 ton
ESN 700 ton

Urea 46% N
AMS 21 % N, 24% S
ESN 44% N