Tree protectors ... Good or Bad?

Tree Spud

5 year old buck +
I have several trees that need to have the wire mesh rodent guards that need to be replaced. Tree is about 3.5" in diameter.

I have seen these style protectors ...

What is everyone's experience?

Do they protect against rodents eating the bark during winter with snow?

How young of a tree diameter wise have you used them on?

Other better style protectors?

Like to know pros & cons.

Thanks!
 
So any experience here?
 
Only with tree tubes and my experience is not good

Tubes are:1) a condo/highrise for fire ants 2) a green house oven to bake trees in the summer 3) a racoon magnet for destruction due to waspnests 4) a deathtrap to small birds 5) breeding ground for basal root rot/fungus on fruit trees 6) luxury home for field mice

not a fan

bill
 
I've used them for oak plantings on seedling. Kept them on for 3 years, 5's , worked great. Kept some on for 4 years and they caused rubbing issues on the trunk which caused damage they are just coming out of (3 years later)

I use a half of a 5' for protecting new hybrid willow and poplar cuttings from rodents, has worked great.

I've used half of 5' around new apple/pear/persimmon plantings. After a couple years I slit them lengthwise and they coil up around the trunks and expand as it grows, none have grown into the trunks yet. No rodent issues.

I'm using them for a large hardwood tree planting this week, mandated by the nrcs, of which they are paying a fourth of the cost. I will remove them after the third year based on the first example I gave.

Tree tubes have worked well for me. Something that I do that I think helps with keeping it from being a rodent house is I bury the bottom 2 inches of tube in soil. This seems to keep mice out of it. these tubes make it easyt to spray around the trees without worrying about damaging them.

They are worth the expense to me. They don't come without installation pains and time spent checking them each spring. In the ten years I've used them I have only found one dead bird, not saying it hasn't happened more but I don't think its happened much on my place.

For stake, unless you have a cheaper source, I recommend 4' steel electric fence posts. They can be had for 89 cents a post on sale at tsc or Orchelins (where I live) These are farm stores basically. 99 cents regular price, which isn't bad. A few years down the road when you don't need them anymore one can sell them via craigslist or fbmarket and get most of that back.

https://www.treeproshelters.com/ are the tubes I use and this is where I got mine. I'm still using ones that are over ten years old.

My truly negative experience was when I tried the mesh tubes(first time planting hardwoods). Worthless for tree protection, damaged the seedling as they grew through the mesh and animals destroyed them all in the first year I had them. It was like they were a toy and some animals loved to trash them. Lost every tube and tree that planting.

All of the acorns or chestnuts I've planted have been with a 30" tube over them and then surrounded them with a wire mesh fence for deer protections. They have done well this way. I've only been doing this for 3 years so not sure how it'll turn out several years down the road but I think it will be good.
 
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Like everything they have their purpose and work differently in different locations, personally I love my tree tubes! I drove to the middle of PA (13 hours round trip) to get 130'ish of the 4 footers (for free) from a guy on a FB Habitat site that sold his land and wasn't going to use them. He also gave me 2 boxes of tree fertilizer packets but that is a moot point. I am a single father and a homeowner so I try my best not to spend much outside buying the trees/shrubs. I have used the spiral wrap type ones you have in your post, they have kept mice from harming my trees but have found they get brittle after a couple years and after the tree grows need adjusting but break easily, that could just be because of the cheap ones I bought though.
I have used the tree tubes for 4 years now, this will be their 5th summer, I did an experiment on different trees leaving some without tubes in the rows and for me, some had nearly double the growth in the 2nd year than those next to them without tubes. I should have taken pictures but I get so little time to play in my backyard it's always work focused. Once they grow to the top of the tubes I pull them and reuse them in areas that need to catch up. I have had no problems with molding, they act like well vented mini greenhouses. I was given roughly 150 3' tubes from Knerke on this site and I will use them to protect my acorns and Pecans I am direct seeding very soon.

The down sides:
1) I have to be diligent and check them at minimal monthly for wasp nests, my second year I had a wasp nest that filled 6 inches of the tube on a Chinese Chestnut. I rode past on my 4 wheeler and pulled the tube then dropped it getting stung a couple times but the tree made it and is doing fine today and I learned a painful lesson.
2) My first year I didn't pull the tubes to clean out the leaves in the spring (I just didn't know) but I found 4 or 5 that had mice taking up residence. Reading here I learned to bury the tube a couple inches and I haven't have any problems with mice since.
3) For the love of God spare yourself ALOT of headache and invest in good stakes from day 1. I started with the green 5' bamboo stakes at Walmart and is my biggest regret. They rot in the ground in 8-9 months and you will find every tube on the ground after a good windy day. I started using 3 bamboo stakes and that works much better but they still rot and tubes end up on the ground eventually. I am not ashamed to admit I have dumpster dove here on campus to retrieve rebar scraps and electrical conduit and they work great for staking purposes.
4) The downside to fast growth is the trees tend to grow tall and lanky so on some types, specifically Allegheny Chinquapins for me, I had to use the bamboo stakes to support them for the first few months the tubes were removed. I didn't have this issue with my Oaks, Plumbs, Persimmon, Pears etc, just the AC's for some reason.
 
Guys, thanks, but not looking for info on tree tubes. I have more experience with tree tubes over the last 20+ years than I can remember.

I am interested in learning about experiences with fruit tree trunk wraps & protectors.
 
Trunk wraps work fine as long as you take them off in spring and put them back on in fall. I've seen pictures of trees girdled all the way around in spirals because the tree wraps had stretched out over the growing season. Also, as they age, the spirals won't stay as tight.
 
I have several trees that need to have the wire mesh rodent guards that need to be replaced. Tree is about 3.5" in diameter.

I have seen these style protectors ...

What is everyone's experience?

Do they protect against rodents eating the bark during winter with snow?

How young of a tree diameter wise have you used them on?

Other better style protectors?

Like to know pros & cons.

Thanks!
If you want your favorite tree to look like a candy cane they work great.... something for the mice to hold onto while they chew their way up way up the trunk. Mine looked good till they moved and exposed the tasty bark in a spiral pattern and the mice had a creative art experiment with a Christmas theme. I am not a fan.

Aluminum window screen.
 
Ps.... Bad, just plain bad
 
I have seen many pictures of the candy cane look. Not to mention they wouldnt stop apple borers either. Hard pass
 
I have been using spiral vinyl wraps for 20+ years. I've had 10 year old trees killed by rodents when I forgot to put the wrap back on in the Fall. Spiral vinyl tree wraps work well for preventing rodents from girding your trees in the Fall & Winter. They are to be removed in the springtime as they harbor insects. I repeat, they are NOT to be left on in the summer growing season. After 2 or 3 years they get brittle and tend to break when trying to remove them. They are good for trees up to about 2.5" diameter. After that use 1/4" steel mesh (sometimes called cloth-wire mesh) at about 6" diameter. After they outgrow that I don't think you need protection because the bark is too rough to interest rodents. My fruit trees are grown near forests. Fruit trees in large lawns may not require protection. You will know after your trees are damaged or killed by mice/rabbits, but then it is too late.
 
thanks guys, good info. I was also looking at this style; however, I think the rodents will just chew through eventually.

Looks like I will stick with screen or mesh.

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Hardwoods use tubes,why don't you cage and staple window screen around base?Don't staple to tree fold screen together then staple with desk stapler
 
I've had very large apple trees girthed by mice in a harsh winter... pulled my screens off of 10 plus year old trees only to find then girthed in the spring - beyond heartbreaking to see that old of trees die.

Window screen for as long as you can then find a way to use it longer.

If you have an old tree with smooth bark be very wary of not keeping the screen on them. It is still a tasty winter snack for the critters.

Window screen will get you years of protection... and you can take them off and turn them sideways and get more years .... older trees really only need the lower foot protected.

When you figure it out I bet window screen is just as cheap and better for many reasons... its simply the best protection you can use, proven time and time again here by many others that have learned the hard way. If you can find a place to buy it in bulk let me know... factory direct would be a cool find.
 
For fruit trees in the yard or caged I use black drain pipe cut to the length I need. I then cut it down one side and slowly work it around young fruit trees being careful not to tear up the bark. When the tree starts to fill the drain pipe I take them off they are no longer needed at that point generally speaking unless these are afield then protection from bucks rubbing may still be required.
 
I have been using the white vinyl wrap for years with no problems. I can't say I have ever had to worry about rodents girdling trees though. The only thing that will girdle my trees are rabbits if a tree is left uncaged. I know the preferred method here on this forum is screen.
 
I too have used the plastic spiral wraps for 25+ years with expected results - they protected my young apple trees. Like others, I put them on the trees during the winter and removed them during the summer months. They work just fine for 2 - 3 years. After that I wrap the trees with aluminum window screen and/or 1/4" hardware cloth. Voles are my number 1 nemesis here (although bears are probably just as bad). If I didn't wrap my apple trees for protection I wouldn't have any apple trees. It is as simple as that.

Here is a link to an older thread which I posted on the Michigan Sportsman forum several years ago:

Are your apple trees protected? (16 photos)

The trees with the white plastic spiral wrap replaced 6 of my 7 and 8 year old trees which had been girdled by voles the previous year. The trees that were damaged did have tar paper wraps on them but it was a lower quality wrap we purchased when our supplier ran out of the higher quality tar paper wrap.

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These are wrapped with aluminum window screen...

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The ultimate in protection IMO. I wire 24" pieces of 1/4" hardware cloth together and loosen the wrap up as the diameter increases with growth...

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This 5 year old Honey Crisp was destroyed by a black bear in one minute - just to be destructive - I got the perpetrator on camera.

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I have also successfully used tubes from TreeProtectionSupply for many years. While I have used them on apple trees, I use these primarily on my younger oak trees to protect from rubbing bucks during the fall/winter months.

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The alternative...

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Hardwoods use tubes,why don't you cage and staple window screen around base?Don't staple to tree fold screen together then staple with desk stapler

Thats what I am currently doing, note the mouse burrow hole in lower right that was blocked by the screen.
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Has anyone had rabbit or mice problems in the deep south on here? Currently using tubes on my trees and this has never crossed my mind. Hell that hurt my feelings looking at wildthing's pictures of him pulling up those trees. You learn something new every day.
 
Has anyone had rabbit or mice problems in the deep south on here? Currently using tubes on my trees and this has never crossed my mind. Hell that hurt my feelings looking at wildthing's pictures of him pulling up those trees. You learn something new every day.

Rabbits have not been an issue

Mice love tree tubes here

bill
 
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