Take a walk with me through the prairie

Native Hunter

5 year old buck +
First of all, this is not a property tour thread. It about plants that grow in a prairie. Most of you are aware that I manage roughly 60 acres of NWSGs and forbs on my farm. I'm going to start a thread using some old pictures, pictures I took this spring, and some pictures I plan to take through this year to show some of the various plants (both good and bad) that grow there.

I will add new pictures and verbiage every few days off and on as time allows. Feel free to interject your own thoughts as well.

The focus of this thread will be:
  • The pictures and identifying features of various plants that grow in my prairie. On one short walk the other day, I identified over 50 different plants, so that should keep up busy for a while.
  • I will also interject some information about the value of the different plants for deer and other wildlife.
When we look at a prairie, we normally just see the tall plants like Big Bluestem, Canada Goldenrod and others that reach for the stars - but there is a whole other world down low near the ground. Many of those low growing plants are very beneficial to deer and other wildlife. Some may be visible early in the year - but hidden later on as the tall grasses and forbs shoot up. Let’s start out by just looking at some pictures from the past before we start delving into the nuts and bolts of this thread

So, come…..take a walk with me through the prairie……

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Let’s stop for a rest before we continue on our walk….more to come in a few days.
 
Cant wait to watch it unfold Native! I know i'll learn a thing or two!
 
Excellent thread! Can't wait to see everything you've got growing. I'm planning to add more diversity to my orchard on a yearly basis.
 
Nice!
I am starting the process on 42 acres of family land as well. I was very pleasantly surprised by the wildflower and forbs reaction to this first year of deferred grazing. I am REALLY looking forward to next summer after the first burn.


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East Texas "prairies" are fallow pasture of coastal bermuda mixed with goatweed,horse nettle,giant ragweed , and marestail.

Looking forward to this thread

bill
 
This should be good!
 
Thanks guys. Hopefully this will help to keep us occupied until hunting season finally arrives...
 
Very very nice! Looking forward to this thread.
Always like seeing what you have done and am continually impressed with your plant knowledge.
Trying to do some of the same here on my small hobby patch of a farm, at times mine looks more like a weed field than a pasture.
 
Looks great, you have a nice mix of forbes and grasses. I mange 52 acres of native grasses but my mixes are mostly grasses, yours look great.
 
Very exciting! I can't wait to continue along !
 
I also have the problem of my nwsg taking over - mostly little bluestem. If you manage for taller, woolly nwsg, you are inviting a hog infestation. Bottom picture is ground I have bush hogged and sprayed with cleth and lightly disked - a lot of forb diversity and a lot of deer, song bird, and pollinator use. Top picture is area I give to the grasses. Very little diversity - and no wildlife use. I hesitate to introduce any plant species because this is a relatively rare ecosystem in my state - blackland prairie with calcareous soil. I would prefer the natural, native forbs to re-colonize. Really looking forward to following this.

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I wish NWSG would take over my place............

bill
 
I wish NWSG would take over my place............

bill

I thought that once, too. Spent a lot of time, effort, and money managing for nwsg. Most biologist believe it is the ultimate gift to open field management. I did too, until I got it. Now I am spending time, effort, and money - to get rid of it. I have a buddy who established switch grass here in the south. It became a feral hog den. He finally had to get rid of the switch to get rid of the hogs.

if we had quail, turkeys, or rabbits - maybe they would use the nwsg. In their absence, nothing uses it at my place. No more use than the fescue I fought to get rid of so I could grow the nwsg.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
 
I thought that once, too. Spent a lot of time, effort, and money managing for nwsg. Most biologist believe it is the ultimate gift to open field management. I did too, until I got it. Now I am spending time, effort, and money - to get rid of it. I have a buddy who established switch grass here in the south. It became a feral hog den. He finally had to get rid of the switch to get rid of the hogs.

if we had quail, turkeys, or rabbits - maybe they would use the nwsg. In their absence, nothing uses it at my place. No more use than the fescue I fought to get rid of so I could grow the nwsg.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
I agree with your statements. I don’t have any expansive acres of any grass but I too thought a big sea of grass was the answer. My large food plot is faced with some privacy issues with two roads. I thought the answer was a monoculture of switchgrass. It looks cool but other than some bucks running does it’s gets almost no use. I thought for sure that does would be bedding in it all the time. Even when I bump deer off the food they don’t run into the switch they run into the woods. It does help screen in the plot but now I find myself wanting to add trees and bushes to create endless edge.
 
Sorry to hear that some of you boys hate your fields. I'm absolutely crazy happy about mine. It is like a living organism just overflowing with wildlife such as deer, rabbit, quail and everything else you can imagine - turkeys too in the spring when I mow them trails. It's not uncommon to jump 3 or 4 different coveys of quail when checking cameras, and if you walk down the edge in the evening you will probably see 15 or more rabbits and maybe that many deer.

For those of you planning on following, we will pick back up soon. Thanks for your interest, and hope you enjoy.
 
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Did you plant all NWSG's and everything else or is some of it natural with some enhancement ?
 
Did you plant all NWSG's and everything else or is some of it natural with some enhancement ?

Scott, I planted a mix, but some of the species in the mix have disappeared, and some of the natives have come back and replaced them. I didn't have any NWSGs before I started. My fields were KY31 Fescue and not many forbs. However, after the fescue was killed, many forbs came out of the seed bank.

I spent a lot of time the first couple of years driving through the fields and spot spraying from my truck. Ironweed and Pokeweed would have completely taken over, but I hit them hard and promoted the species that I wanted to grow. You have to give what you want to grow the edge early on so that they can dominate.

Some of the natives that came out of the seedbank that I like are Tickseed Sunflower, Jewelweed, Missouri Goldenrod, Smooth Ticktrefoil and a few others. In this thread I plan on covering those and many, many more plants.
 
Sorry to hear that some of you boys hate your fields. I'm absolutely crazy happy about mine. It is like a living organism just teeming with wildlife such as deer, rabbit, quail and everything else you can imagine - turkeys too in the spring when I mow them trails. It's not uncommon to jump 3 or 4 different coveys of quail when checking cameras, and if you walk down the edge in the evening you will probably see 15 or more rabbits and maybe that many deer.

For those of you who don't hate prairies, we will pick back up soon. Thanks for your interest, and hope you enjoy following along.

it isnt that I hate a prairie. I love a prairie. When I had bird dogs, I used to spend a month a year hunting sharptails, huns, prairie chickens, and pheasants in he northern prairie. When I got my own place with 20 acres of pasture, right in the middle of a band of isolated Black-land Prarie region - I couldnt wait to convert the fescue to native warm season grass. That is the first thing I started to do. But I had no experience with prairie in my own area - I was going off all the benefits I had read about native warm season grass. Even had folks from G&F, NRCS, and Natural Heritage Commission visit my place and set me on my way. Talked to several Local folks I knew and they said dont plant switch - since I have hogs - all the cover will attract them and become infested with hogs. Most of my nwsg is little bluestem. It looks great in the fall - a rolling sea of red - waving like the ocean in the breeze. Problem is, if you dont have turkeys, quail, and rabbits - they wont materialize from nwsg. Nwsg doesnt make quail - quail make quail.

Before I converted my pasture to nwsg - which took years - there was a lot of fescue, johnson grass, milkweed, and some native flowering forbs - like delphiniums, penstemons, butterfly weed, etc. As the nwsg prospered, the forbs became almost non-existent. My next door neighbor’s cattle pasture had more diversity, more song birds, more pollinators, and more deer.

I talked to the folks from the NRCS and they recommended some flowering forb species to Plant that might compete better with the grass. But, the Natural Heritage Commission folks advised against it because the recommended varieties were not native. They recommended reducing the percentage of grass component in the stand. That is now what I work towards. I disk and spray and keep the nwsg component to probably 20%. I would love to have a true grass dominated prairie. But, I dont have the wildlife component that will take advantage of a grass dominated habitat - other than hogs. 20 acres of nwsg is not enough to support populations of otherwise scarce prairie wildlife species.

You can only imagine how I felt when I sprayed a grass killing herbicide and then put a disk to my hard earned grass that took years to grow. Made me sick. And even at that, I have left a few acres of grass just to look at. After a few years of reducing the grass component, I now have a variety of forbs moving back in. Milkweed is now thick, as are the monarchs, deer are out in it every morning - feeding on a variety of plants. Bluebirds, indigos, painted buntings, blue grosbeaks - and a host of other song birds are now common. Honey bees, bumble bees, and a host of other pollinators are prevalent throughout the area.

Just because apple and pear trees do not do well in high pH, calcareous soils does not mean I “hate” them. I would love to have acres of producing apple trees - but I have proven my efforts are not rewarded by planting apple trees on my ground. Rather, we may have to accept what works best on our own ground - and not fight it. Just because a particular plant species does not produce anticipated benefits, does not mean we “hate” it - in fact, the total opposite may be true. And proof again, just because something works in one area, doesnt necessarily mean it works in another area.

Really looking forward to some great prairie pictures and information. I envy what you have.:emoji_thumbsup:
 
it isnt that I hate a prairie. I love a prairie. When I had bird dogs, I used to spend a month a year hunting sharptails, huns, prairie chickens, and pheasants in he northern prairie. When I got my own place with 20 acres of pasture, right in the middle of a band of isolated Black-land Prarie region - I couldnt wait to convert the fescue to native warm season grass. That is the first thing I started to do. But I had no experience with prairie in my own area - I was going off all the benefits I had read about native warm season grass. Even had folks from G&F, NRCS, and Natural Heritage Commission visit my place and set me on my way. Talked to several Local folks I knew and they said dont plant switch - since I have hogs - all the cover will attract them and become infested with hogs. Most of my nwsg is little bluestem. It looks great in the fall - a rolling sea of red - waving like the ocean in the breeze. Problem is, if you dont have turkeys, quail, and rabbits - they wont materialize from nwsg. Nwsg doesnt make quail - quail make quail.

Before I converted my pasture to nwsg - which took years - there was a lot of fescue, johnson grass, milkweed, and some native flowering forbs - like delphiniums, penstemons, butterfly weed, etc. As the nwsg prospered, the forbs became almost non-existent. My next door neighbor’s cattle pasture had more diversity, more song birds, more pollinators, and more deer.

I talked to the folks from the NRCS and they recommended some flowering forb species to Plant that might compete better with the grass. But, the Natural Heritage Commission folks advised against it because the recommended varieties were not native. They recommended reducing the percentage of grass component in the stand. That is now what I work towards. I disk and spray and keep the nwsg component to probably 20%. I would love to have a true grass dominated prairie. But, I dont have the wildlife component that will take advantage of a grass dominated habitat - other than hogs. 20 acres of nwsg is not enough to support populations of otherwise scarce prairie wildlife species.

You can only imagine how I felt when I sprayed a grass killing herbicide and then put a disk to my hard earned grass that took years to grow. Made me sick. And even at that, I have left a few acres of grass just to look at. After a few years of reducing the grass component, I now have a variety of forbs moving back in. Milkweed is now thick, as are the monarchs, deer are out in it every morning - feeding on a variety of plants. Bluebirds, indigos, painted buntings, blue grosbeaks - and a host of other song birds are now common. Honey bees, bumble bees, and a host of other pollinators are prevalent throughout the area.

Just because apple and pear trees do not do well in high pH, calcareous soils does not mean I “hate” them. I would love to have acres of producing apple trees - but I have proven my efforts are not rewarded by planting apple trees on my ground. Rather, we may have to accept what works best on our own ground - and not fight it. Just because a particular plant species does not produce anticipated benefits, does not mean we “hate” it - in fact, the total opposite may be true. And proof again, just because something works in one area, doesnt necessarily mean it works in another area.

Really looking forward to some great prairie pictures and information. I envy what you have.:emoji_thumbsup:

Thanks for tagging along Swampcat. I understand that the presence of wild hogs can completely change everything, and I would probably look at things very differently if we had them. Feel free to interject any thoughts that you may have in this thread, and let me know if you have any questions.
 
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