Question on Selecting an Outfitter

Tree Spud

5 year old buck +
Would like to get some feedback from you guys who have experience on fair chase guided whitetail hunts. I have some friends who have had some good and some not so good experiences.

I am looking at a gun hunt in Alberta Canada. In order to qualify & evaluate a prospective outfitters, what questions would you ask? What type of information on the camp is reasonable to receive?
 
Ask for references, both successful and unsuccessful hunters. Ask about the transportation to and from stand, on a spring bear hunt I went on in Saskatchewan I was the last one to be picked up and sat for over 2 hours in the dark waiting to be picked up. What other costs will you incur
[tax, license, gratuities, export fee, skinning fee, trophy fee, butchering]. What kind of stand will you be hunting out of, [heated, ladder stand, hang on, must you bring your own or are they supplied]. How many meals?
 
....on a spring bear hunt I went on in Saskatchewan I was the last one to be picked up and sat for over 2 hours in the dark waiting to be picked up.

That had to be a great feeling when you got picked up..... a few thoughts I would have asked myself during that two hours.

"What was That?"
"Am I in the right spot"
"What am I doing here"
"Am I gonna get out of here"
"What was THAT?"
"Can't believe I didn't see anything with all the bears I hear walking around me here in the dark."
"Where is this guy"
"Where am I"
"WHAT WAS THAT?"


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I can tell you that being in a area of a lot of outfitters, I have not seen one good one yet. I can say time after time, if a good buck is on their trail cameras you will never get a chance to hunt it on purpose.

You want to find out about a outfitter, call the CO in that area and see how many complaints he has had on the guy!
 
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How many hunters in camp?
How many hunters for the year?
What is your success rate?
What do you consider a successful hunt?
How far from camp to hunting grounds?
Do the guides hunt?
Is there a minimum size and what is it?
How many hunters to a room?
 
How many hunters in camp?
How many hunters for the year?
What is your success rate?
What do you consider a successful hunt?
How far from camp to hunting grounds?
Do the guides hunt?
Is there a minimum size and what is it?
How many hunters to a room?

Not one of those questions will be answered truthfully!
 
I actually walked a mile out to the road. I help guide for bear in Wisconsin so the presence of bears on the walk out didn't bother me but dam the mosquitos were bad.
 
I would look for a smaller guy that has less hunters with great references.
 
I have hunted ALberta on guided hunts in the past
all were good experiences, and NOT all with same outfitter's
as I wanted to try different area's

like anything in life, HOW Much effort you put into something, you HIGHLY increase your odds of getting what you want
NOTHING in life is perfect and 100% ALL the time
but by making calls to past clients, both one's that got game and didn't, local wardens in the area, call local shops (gun stores, bow shops,and the likes)
and ask them what they feel the area holds you think you want to hunt in, as for quality of game
and take ALL info with a grain of salt
NOT all people want NON residents in there area, and some WANT your money, more than they care if you come back!

outfitters that have a LOT of repeat clients, have again GOOD and bad sides, they will cater to the repeat customers MORE MOST times

STRESS< the way you want things to be in your questions, do you want long drives or walks into stands, what types of stands,WHAT you feel is YOUR type of hunting, food, lodging, what all you get and don't for the price they are selling you the hunt for
what's NOT included in that price
failure to ask the right questions can really leave you unhappy when you get there and waste a LOT of money on you too
most outfitters sadly have a used salesmen pitch to them, there selling you SOMETHING they think you want to hear about things
MOST good outfitters are booked in advance, but that doesn't mean there YOUR type of outfitters
your exceptions and there's can be severely off
I had a chance to go on a hunt with super high success rates on 150+ WT's, but the way the outfitter hunted was this, he drove you around all day long off road in his truck till you seen something you wanted to shoot, then parked you got out, and either a few feet away from truck or a short stalk, and shot it
he was very consistent on success rates and size
but to me that isn;'t hunting, to him it was?
so that;s an example of difference in hunting idea's?
works both ways, some I gather want an easy hunt, don't get cold and almost NO dragging a deer, just drive up to it after you shoot

same as in treestands, some use SMALL loc's on and some what heated enclosed blinds

next is gear, not all guides and outfitters are using the best stuff, many are part time guides that ONLY really work when they need them?
like locals that just know the area, as to full time guides that are vested in the business and its clients success
so ask about the guide you will be getting in advance and see HOW Long THEY work for the outfitter
ask for there contact info too before booking and see how they feel about the outfitter and what he calls HUNTING hunting!

and really ask yourself, HOW and WHAT you call a successful hunt
as even the best place you can go home with tags in your pockets, so be prepared to eat tags, and consider what you would call a GOOD Hunt even if you do so!

I was on an ALberta combo hunt WT/MD( a great option to ask about)
and I was in a situation where a wounded WT buck showed up in poor shape, a 100 inch deer, and I put it down and ate a very pricey tag to do so! and to this day never regret doing so
I then just worked harder on a great mule deer, which I passed on a lot of nice one's just none I wanted
some might call that a poor hunt, but I enjoyed it, scenery was great, seen moose, cougars, a ton of coyotes and bunch of deer, but honestly had two pricey tags in my pocket and didn't kill anything I was expecting to! I did bring the WT' rack and cape home(was a 225 lbs deer gutted out, so a great cape)
but again, how much effort you put into asking and learning all you can on area, outfitters, guides. past clients, the more you up your odd's of getting what you want
 
If it was an archery hunt i would say to get on bowsite and look at the outfitter reviews and these may still help.Another place is monstermuleys.com I know if I get to go mule deer hunting in Alberta who I will go with and it's just from what I have read
 
Not saying it's better than Alberta, but Ontario is an underrated province for big buck hunting, and not as far.
 
Haven't read much. Just got off a plane after being cancelled many times.
I'm with Mo when it comes to midwest outfitters.

2000 acres next door was once leased by an outfitter. Thank god thats over. When I read an article about a hunter that killed a 170ish class buck it caught my attention because I knew the name. Great article about how this guy had the buck on trail cams all summer and fall. He went in for the kill when they knew the deer would be using a food plot during winter muzzleloader season.

Great success story. Problem for me was they never mentioned that the guy that killed the buck ran 5 hunters a week through the place every week all fall. Im sure some of those hunters saw that buck in the distance but not close enough to score or even disturb him.

Maybe mule deer or Elk. But i wont ever trust a whitetail guild. Ever!
 
Thanks guys, I am sure a guided hunt is like anything else ... buyer beware. Had a buddy who paid $8k for a guided elk bow hunt in NM and several nights after climbing ridges all day dinner was hot dogs & beans.

What red flags or warning signs are there? I am hearing that hunters per guide is important, any thoughts on a ratio?
 
I think the ratio depends on the type of hunting. If the guides are dropping you off at a stand the ratio doesn't matter so much. (1-3 is normal) Also don't skimp on price. An outfitter that is below market average is a red flag. I think your safest bet is to find someone that you trust that has hunted with an outfitter who can vouch for the outfitter. I'd also recommend trying to find a small outfitter.
 
Thanks guys, I am sure a guided hunt is like anything else ... buyer beware. Had a buddy who paid $8k for a guided elk bow hunt in NM and several nights after climbing ridges all day dinner was hot dogs & beans.

What red flags or warning signs are there? I am hearing that hunters per guide is important, any thoughts on a ratio?

But was it regular hot dogs or skin on Weiners?

Wow, that's crazy.
 
Did the brochure say they were serving tube steaks nightly.
 
This past fall I saw a guy hunting in a stand on my neighbors land right across the road from one of our farms, But the gate was closed on his place. So I sent him a text to see if he was up or had someone else hunting there. Nope, and he was pissed. So I told him to call the CO, and call me back. I would show the CO where the guy was at. By the time the CO could make it out, the outfitter that placed the guy in the stand picked him up around noon. Yes I said outfitter. I gave the CO the license plate number I had on my video game camera pointed at the road. He called me back 5 min later and told me who it was. Said it is the number one complaint he deals with in our part of Missouri all fall, Stupid outfitters placing guys on other peoples property they don't have leased. They know when the gate is closed, or they assume when the gate is closed, the land owner aint around, and mondays through weds are fair game. Most out of sate hunters have no Idea they are not suppose to be there.

Call our CO and find out for yourself, or call any CO for that matter. CO Josh Roller 816-294-8767, Harrison County Missouri

Outfitters for whitetail deer are some of the biggest scum bags out there, at least in NW Missouri anyways!
 
How they would dare do that with cameras present? I suppose they think, well it won't be my face on the camera?
 
How they would dare do that with cameras present? I suppose they think, well it won't be my face on the camera?

The CO says the hunter has no Idea, and the outfitter plays stupid and says he was dropped off at the wrong place. It takes balls man. God help the guy the that sticks a hunter on my place.....

Edit: The CO says if the Outfitters were licensed in MO it would end all the bullshit, or most of it anyways. The fear of losing their license would be a great tool. But it aint happening yet he said.
 
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