Imox Question

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Ordered Imox from Keystone for clover/chicory plot. Mixing rate is 4-6 ounces on clover and 4 ounces on chicory. I'm not sure if the chicory rate is for a pure or predominate stand of chicory which my plot is not. Should I spray at the chicory rate or the clover rate? I am seeing guys dissapointed with Imox so I would like to hear some success stories. I'm aware of all the variables involved, i.e. grass/weed height, weather etc. that may have been a factor on some of these plots that failed. I mowed on a few days ago and rain is in the forecast. My plan is to get my plot sprayed on Monday, the day before it is supposed to rain.
 
Ordered Imox from Keystone for clover/chicory plot. Mixing rate is 4-6 ounces on clover and 4 ounces on chicory. I'm not sure if the chicory rate is for a pure or predominate stand of chicory which my plot is not. Should I spray at the chicory rate or the clover rate? I am seeing guys dissapointed with Imox so I would like to hear some success stories. I'm aware of all the variables involved, i.e. grass/weed height, weather etc. that may have been a factor on some of these plots that failed. I mowed on a few days ago and rain is in the forecast. My plan is to get my plot sprayed on Monday, the day before it is supposed to rain.
Did you buy NitroSurf with it? I can’t speak to your exact situation but we sprayed 4.5 acres of Clearfield sunflowers with it last year (one time) and it knocked everything back very well. It worked well enough that I bought more this year.
 
I read that Nitro Surf should not be used on chicory so I plan on using Alligare 90.
 
I read that Nitro Surf should not be used on chicory so I plan on using Alligare 90.
Just making sure you had a non ionic to mix with it. I guess I never paid attention to the chicory restriction since I don’t have any on my place.
 
Anyone else care to weigh in?
 
Not Imox but Raptor that I bought years ago before there were other options. I spray either early spring or late fall at 6 oz per acre and it has worked very well. I mix clethodium with mine and it totally cleans up my cover plots. I can't comment on chicory as I don't plant it.
 
I’ll weigh in. This field was hit with imox 8oz/acre. 24,dB 1 quart/acre and just for laughs clethodim 8 oz/acre about 3 weeks ago.

The grasses were really tall. Usually I just use clethodim when their young mixed with dawn detergent as a sticker.
So I used dawn in this mix rather than a non ionic.

The cursor is pointed at a water way I didn’t spray. Nice and green. But the other grass looks like it will rebound. Imox gave me similar so so results last year with dish detergent as a sticker.

next time I’ll replace the dawn (which I usually love) with a non iconic sufficant.
Live and learn.
This clover field is 5 years old so it was a Hail Mary:)

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If there's a lower rate for chicory, then if you want to save the chicory, use the lower rate. I was surprised to hear IMOX had a chicory consideration on the label.
 
I went with the 6oz/acre clover rate with the Non Ionic recommended for chicory instead of the Nitro Surf that's recommended for the clover mix. I went max rate because I have heard the 4oz/acre chicory rate is not enough. I mowed the plot about 8 days before I sprayed and two days after a good rain. I will let everyone know how it turned out.

Mixing cleth and 24db in with the Imox seems to me to be defeating the purpose of using Imox. But after thinking about it more it got me thinking about spraying Imox at the 4oz/acre chicory rate and adding cleth as Bill has done may be a way around the lower rate called for with chicory. I always use crop oil with cleth so how would the Non ionic work in a Imox/cleth hybrid mix?

Am I wrong with my understanding that 24db will take out chicory?
 
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Am I wrong with my understanding that 24db will take out chicory?

no you’re not wrong. It will smoke the chicory.

The only reason I added the clethodim and 2,4-DB was because I had it and the imox alone last year didn’t impress me. I’m glad I did because it taught me my liquid dish detergent isn’t a good enough sticker for imox or older grasses.

A week later that field I posted is looking better and better so maybe it needed more time.
 
That makes sense Bill. I love chicory/clover mix but what a pain in the butt trying to control the broadleaf.
 
For clover I have had really good success with Imox. I mix the Nitro-surf as recommended. It is not fast acting and takes several weeks before it kills most things. Usually you see stuff starting to turn color after 10 days or so. Just my experience anyway. I use about 6 oz per acre.
 
For clover I have had really good success with Imox. I mix the Nitro-surf as recommended. It is not fast acting and takes several weeks before it kills most things. Usually you see stuff starting to turn color after 10 days or so. Just my experience anyway. I use about 6 oz per acre.
Do you have chicory in your clover? If so how did the 6oz rate with Nitro Surf do on the chicory?
 
For clover I have had really good success with Imox. I mix the Nitro-surf as recommended. It is not fast acting and takes several weeks before it kills most things. Usually you see stuff starting to turn color after 10 days or so. Just my experience anyway. I use about 6 oz per acre.

I think I’m starting to see this. Last year I went easy on the imox. This year I got a bit heavy handed. I’ll see in person next week.
 
Do you have chicory in your clover? If so how did the 6oz rate with Nitro Surf do on the chicory?
No chicory in my clover, so not sure how it would work.
 
Ordered Imox from Keystone for clover/chicory plot. Mixing rate is 4-6 ounces on clover and 4 ounces on chicory. I'm not sure if the chicory rate is for a pure or predominate stand of chicory which my plot is not. Should I spray at the chicory rate or the clover rate? I am seeing guys dissapointed with Imox so I would like to hear some success stories. I'm aware of all the variables involved, i.e. grass/weed height, weather etc. that may have been a factor on some of these plots that failed. I mowed on a few days ago and rain is in the forecast. My plan is to get my plot sprayed on Monday, the day before it is supposed to rain.

I think glyphosate has spoiled us. Mix it strong. Apply it. Watch plants die. Ok, so that theme is coming unraveled. I suppose this will sound like a lecture. So be it. Herbicides formulated to control specific weeds in specific crops need to be understood. You need to know what weeds you have, what herbicides work, what rates to use, the timing of the application, how much water to use and what spray pattern works. Here, we mostly spray and hope. IMOX suffers from this hope.

You say you are aware of the variables but in the next sentence you violate one of the basic rules. You mowed? If you are mowing then the plant mass must be large. A Large plant mass means a below ground (where else would they be) root mass 2X to 4X the size of the above ground part of the plant. How are you going to get enough IMOX into the roots if there's no leaf surface? IMOX does have soil residual, but that will only stop new plants from germinating.

When a label says spray before the weeds get 3 or 4 inches tall, it means new germinating plants. New germinating plants have a leaf surface disproportionately large in comparison to new root growth.

I guess the expectation is that herbicides kill weeds. Brown and shriveled weedswith the desirable plants lush and green. Doesn't work that way with a lot of herbicides, IMOX included. These are growth regulators. What they do is slow the growth of the undesirable while the rest of the crop continues its development unaffected.

I've used IMOX in a bad situation. I had old clover about to be choked by fescue, curl dock, and nutsedge. If I lost the clover, no big deal. It was July, I used 8 oz of IMOX and crop oil at 1%. (Use the right surfactant noted on the label. There is a difference).

The targets were controlled (controlled) and the clover rebounded nicely. I think the clover eventually just was able to out complete the grasses and other weeds.

And chicory? I can't imagine it surviving a decent dose of IMOX. I'm curious enough to read the label.

My only disappointment was the lack of residual control. My conclusion about that is water. The active ingredient in IMOX is very water soluble. It's used in ponds safely and effectively. It does it job and breaks down into harmless particles.

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And now the rest of the story:
https://www.keystonepestsolutions.c...e-ai-replaces-raptor-clearcast-and-beyond-901

Imox is an excellent choice for the serious Wildlife Food Plot grower who is looking for a single application for weed control. It is safe on Alfalfa, Clover, and usually on Chickory. For use in chicory, apply early post-emergence when weeds are actively growing and when chicory has at least 2, and no more than 4, fully expanded true leaves present. DO NOT apply to chicory subjected to stress conditions, such as hail damage, flooding, drought, injury from other herbicides, or widely fluctuating temperatures, or crop injury may result. Addition of nitrogen fertilizer (Nitro-Surf) may improve weed control but also increases the likelihood of injury to chicory. For more detailed information on what Imazamox will control, reference the Raptor label. Also, please note that the recommended weed size for spraying is 3-4 inches. As the weeds get larger, effectiveness can diminish
 
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FarmerDan I should clarify and please, lecture away. I mowed high taking off the top of my clover and to open it up a little before I sprayed. I had sporadic clusters of grass which was slightly higher in some spots than the clover, but most of the broadleaf was at or just below the clover. I agree my timing was not the best but what broadleaf I did have in the plot was about 6-8" and it was mostly in thinner areas of my plot. These thinner areas I seeded last fall so I needed to get the broadleaf under control in these areas. So what I did mow was mostly clover and a little grass. Definately not "new" growth as you pointed out and your explanation on that and why it's important is appreciated. The rest of my plot looks pretty good actually.
 
FarmerDan turned me on to the Imox last spring. Based on trail cams I had my doubts. Got to the farm today and I’m a believer!

this field edge was sprayed a month ago. You can see where I stopped spraying and the weeds begin at the end. It all looked like that when I sprayed.
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Here is where I stopped

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This field had a lot of grass and Shasta daisies. I see a patch of daisies I missed.

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This is the field I can see from the trail cam. I almost abandoned it and started over because the grass was so thick.
Grass is not doing well but the clover is doing great.

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No offense Bill but your plot looks a lot worse than mine did. You have a lot more grass than my plot however it looks like your imox/cleth/24db mix was a success!
 
No offense Bill but your plot looks a lot worse than mine did. You have a lot more grass than my plot however it looks like your imox/cleth/24db mix was a success!

yeah they were ugly :). But I was looking for something other than the hamster wheel. I need to get some friggin gypsum on these fields but time is Always so short when I’m here. Pre Covid my business is all hands on deck from spring to summer. It’s great for hunting season but not so much for the growing season.
 
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