Coronavirus

[Charles Clear]

SO many things are lost in translation because this is the first "vaccine" of this type. The vaccine does not prevent you from getting or transmitting covid. It simply is a protein to boost your immune system to help you fight covid if you get it. So letting vaccinated individuals go unmasked makes zero sense. I know quite a few people who are fully vaccinated who still got covid. Most of their cases were mild, probably due to the vaccine helping their body fight it. I had covid in November and it was a pretty severe case, but I was not hospitalized. My 2 sons had a sore throat for 2 days and were fine. My wife was pretty ill as well. I am still very hesitant to get the vaccine until the it gets fully approved by the FDA. Call me stubborn I guess. My Doctor says I'd be super immune with anti-bodies and the vaccine so I think I will eventually get it.

 

[Haus]

It was asked why someone would choose not to get the vaccine. I am surprised nobody mentioned antibody dependant enhancement. If you don’t know about it yet, I’d recommend learning about it. Dengue fever would be a good example. Basically, when you are infected a second time with a different strain, your antibodies don’t clear the infection, they actually enhance it leading to worse symptoms and outcomes, including death.

Previous SARS vaccines failed because of this. Conveniently, our government skipped the animal studies for this vaxx, so we have no idea whether this will happen yet.

Also, a vaccine that doesn’t stop infection or transmission only leads to immune escape and mutations. Blaming only unvaccinated the for new variants is propaganda.

 

[SD51555]

4/8/21

“Once it's my time, I would love to be vaccinated, and I think it's good for athletes to become advocates for that,” Simone Biles, the face of the Tokyo Olympics, told reporters.

Most U.S. Olympians will get COVID-19 vaccines. The trickier question: When?

A vast majority of American athletes competing in the Olympics this summer will be vaccinated by the time they go to Tokyo — if, that is, a recent sampling of two dozen Team USA members is representative of the broader athlete pool.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Buckly]

Yes, I agree.

Here's what pisses me off now. Get the vaccine they said...you won't have to wear a mask. I did. Yet now mask mandates are coming back and it looks like I'll be teaching in a mask this fall again. I feel like it was a bait and switch. I'm vaccinated, and now I have to wear a mask to protect those who chose not to get it?

You are absolutely right and this time around they’re going to get lots more pushback on thsee masking mandates. It’s going to backfire on them You know the saying, fool me once…
it was they’re intention all along. They lied just to get more people to take the shot. Reality is hospitalizations are still way down and deaths are down even more. It’s become a game with the power seekers and this time around people won’t play. I hope
There are 3 hospitals in my County. No COVID patients. Went from 5 active cases out of 120,000 people to 10 active cases 100% increase they say so we moved from low to moderate transmission. Ridiculous. It’s still only 10 cases.

 

[bigbendmarine]

Not sure if Bowsnbucks saw the charts I shared or contemplated them, so I'll share the British one again (with the note that the US one is very similar -- he can easily look them up any minute of the day).



So, this Bowsnbucks is why I'm AMAZED that you're AMAZED not all of us are panicked about viral mutations (that happen with all viruses, by the way, and this due to the mechanics of replication -- gladly share video on the subject if you desire).

Some key take-away points from the chart to temper fear:

While the delta variant is absolutely more virulent / passes to others more easily than prior strains, in countries with a decent MIXED percentage of those having natural immunity from prior cases AND vaccination rates, deaths FOR THE FIRST TIME TO DATE aren't correlating strongly with cases. It appears that herd immunity is largely now preventing death, even if not stopping transmission. If you don't find the chart above extremely positive and justification on pausing to push draconian measures I'm AMAZED.

Next point of consideration to temper your fear. Again, with the caveat that viral mutations occur with all viruses as a natural result of replication... to date, BOTH natural immunity AND the vaccines are proving HIGHLY EFFECTIVE in not only preventing deaths, but ALSO even hospitalizations. This does not amaze me, though I'm extremely thankful it has proven true thus far, but again would think you might, just might, see this as positively amazing (see chart above as proof).

Point number three - the US death rate has fallen as low as since the virus first hit our shores, and this after roughly half a year of folks stopping the insanity of wiping every surface they touch with bleach, donning scuba gear, etc... so the relatively low death rate we have had in recent months has been occurring even DESPITE tossing masks and other protective measures aside... again, proof that natural immunity AND vaccines are proving quite protective.

I'm not basing my lack of crazy fear on politics (I'm not registered with a party and again, DID get the jab by the way). I'm basing my much brighter outlook and desire not to return to draconian measures on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT SCIENCE AND DATA.

 

[roymunson]

So anti vaxers all live at McDonald's and are 80 lbs over weight? Wow i better up my calorie intake!
The same could be said about vaxers, You worry about vid but yet you drive your car to and from work every day. About the same danger level.
See it goes both ways but the one side strives to divide using the "its for all of us " faulty logic.
I will do me, you do you and all is good why is that so hard to comprehend?

You're comprehension is not exactly running at peak performance, is it?

I was saying both sides of the aisle are being ridiculous. Please read the first line of my post and see some of my other posts on the subject for context. I literally said your last line here, previously. I'm not gonna get vaccinated. If someone else wants to, fine. Be my guest, but don't try to force me to. Just like I'm not trying to force anyone NOT to.

I believe your comprehension is the weak link here. But i'm just a public school kid from Northeast Ohio. What do I know?

 

[Bill Loser]

You're comprehension is not exactly running at peak performance, is it?

I was saying both sides of the aisle are being ridiculous. Please read the first line of my post and see some of my other posts on the subject for context. I literally said your last line here, previously. I'm not gonna get vaccinated. If someone else wants to, fine. Be my guest, but don't try to force me to. Just like I'm not trying to force anyone NOT to.

I believe your comprehension is the weak link here. But i'm just a public school kid from Northeast Ohio. What do I know?

Could have i guess taken you a bit out of context. In my defense it was early, i was crabby and waking up in another good forsaken hotel doesnt help my mood at all!

 

[Troubles Trees]

Yeah, I just picked that term thinking most would understand I was referring to the Covid vaccine, in a thread called Coronavirus, and not the measles. Point taken though.

You mentioned that you have taken all your vaccines and that your daughters were all vaccinated, and I suspect most people in this thread are the same. So again...genuine question...not snarky at all...what's the concern about the Covid vaccine? Is it the pace at which it was created? Super computers can generate RNA and DNA data at a pace that would have taken years, if not decades, when the polio vaccine was discovered for example. Or is it the fact that there are no long term studies? Both?

Thank you for the comment bud!
Like you I never get sick to any degree really, a cold once per year on average and always during Deer season lol Roughly once per week I have had weird headaches for the last year or so but I never felt sick at any point so I am not sure it is Covid related. For one I lack trust in general, the companies making the jabs have dirty records on cheating numbers to get a favorable outcome and knowingly selling defective implants. You might remember when Pfizer first announced they have a vax and said it was (I don't recall the exact numbers) 93% effective. Then the next vax came out with 95% effective and Pfizer issued a correction statement saying theirs was 97% effective... red flag right off the bat, combined with the fact that they waited until JUST after the election in November to announce they have a vax. Really? The vax's were rushed to market and if anything major happens in the long run, the vax companies aren't liable and they do concerning things when they are liable. I am not in any sort of risk category so the chances of anything bad happening if I did get Covid are roughly the same chance I take daily driving my car. The CDC isn't helping people with the mask mandates around the corner for everyone. I have done the research on mask efficacy on virus's and comparatively speaking wearing a mask is like throwing a handful of dirt through a chain link fence, most of the dirt still goes through. There are so many red flags with everything Covid I find it hard to believe more people aren't suspect of it. Everyone I know, outside my mother and grandma, ONLY got the jab because they were anticipating Concerts and other functions were going to require a vax passport and they didn't want it to interfere with their lives. VERY few actually did it because they were afraid of Covid, that should say something other than people will just lay down and do what the gov't tells them to. We are getting far to comfortable with knowing about the corruption in our government and not caring enough to do something about it.

Aside all that for me personally, and I don't tell a whole lot of people this about me but for transparency, when I was a kid my dentist would give me shots in the roof of my mouth that were so painful I would literally pass out which included convulsions I was told. As I got older (18 yo) it carried over to IV's like when I donated blood to the Red Cross. When I lived in Colorado (20 yo) I blew out my knee ski-jumping cliffs in Vail and had to have knee surgery. When I came to from the surgery I simply looked at the IV in my arm and passed out, for the first time I was hooked to a heart monitor and I went into Cardiac Arrest and flatlined for 11 seconds, the nurse gave me the tear-strip as a souvenir. When I came back around they were rubbing the paddles and prepping to shock me, they also gave a shot of something that felt like an adrenaline rush if I had to describe it. This happened 4 times (35'ish yo) within an hour or so when I was hooked to a monitor after a 4 wheeler accident and had to get a bunch of stitches. So basically it is needle related and I went looking for answers, I saw 4 doctors and the general consensus was something called Vasovagal Syncope but everything I read didn't include Cardiac Arrest with VS. My wife at the time was making me go and I got tired of taking time off work going to appointments to not get anywhere. I know what triggers it and what to avoid.

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

A guy that lives down the street from me recently went to get the jab. The nurse that was administering the shot said, "you must really want to go to Canada eh"? (the guy is an avid bear hunter) He proceeded to ask her if she had gotten the shot. Her response, "Absolutely not" she went on to tell him about a bunch of stories about adverse reactions and complications that she has seen being a nurse.

He then proceeded to ask her if she would squirt it on the floor for $100 she wouldn't. He then offered her $200. Didn't work. I didn't ask if he got the shot or not. I also didn't ask if he upped his price.

 

[Knehrke]

It was asked why someone would choose not to get the vaccine. I am surprised nobody mentioned antibody dependant enhancement. If you don’t know about it yet, I’d recommend learning about it. Dengue fever would be a good example. Basically, when you are infected a second time with a different strain, your antibodies don’t clear the infection, they actually enhance it leading to worse symptoms and outcomes, including death.

Previous SARS vaccines failed because of this. Conveniently, our government skipped the animal studies for this vaxx, so we have no idea whether this will happen yet.

Also, a vaccine that doesn’t stop infection or transmission only leads to immune escape and mutations. Blaming only unvaccinated the for new variants is propaganda.

Both of these are great points. ADE is a concern, albeit not likely at least to the extent of Dengue fever, since Sars-CoV2 predominantly infects respiratory epithelium, not macrophages, and the age susceptibility profile is opposite. There have been some high profile publications in Nature and such discussing just this possibility though, and so it's being taken very seriously. And you hit the nail on the head, if vaccinated individuals can propagate transmittable levels of virus, then immune escape and further variants emerging becomes a real concern.

Since we're all in this together, acknowledging real concerns is vital. With the prevalence of misinformation and conjecture though, it's difficult for the average Joe to discern what to take seriously. The internet, as always, has made things both better and worse.

 

[SD51555]

Both of these are great points. ADE is a concern, albeit not likely at least to the extent of Dengue fever, since Sars-CoV2 predominantly infects respiratory epithelium, not macrophages, and the age susceptibility profile is opposite.

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[SD51555]

Armbands. And look at all that skin on his head.

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[jsasker007]

Subway might lose some business---hopefully

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

Subway might lose some business---hopefully

I work 100 yrds away from a subway and only eat there about once every 6 months bucause their sandwiches suck. I will now NEVER again eat there.

 

[Bill Loser]

I work 100 yrds away from a subway and only eat there about once every 6 months bucause their sandwiches suck. I will now NEVER again eat there.

Well to some that would make you a dumb f#$% redneck.
That said I agree with you 100%. Welcome to the dfr club!

 

[spaniel]

For the record I'm vaccinated as is my family. Due to work I've got a pretty long history working with the mRNA vaccine companies, I'll need to hold my tongue on uniformed opinions.

We were told we couldn't trust the vaccine because Trump was helping to develop it. Now we're told we're stupid for not taking it.

We were told to get the vaccine so we could protect ourselves and return to a normal life. Now we are told protecting ourselves is meaningless, as we have to continue to mask and distance to protect others who made the personal choice not to get vaccinated (and personally accept the risk, in an era where the vaccine is freely available).

I am a molecular biologist and work in the industry. I'm truly confused as to the goal here. We were told "2 weeks to flatten the curve" and avoid overwhelming hospitals, but now the unspoken goal appears to be total and complete eradication of the virus and the will to close down the economy and wear masks until we accomplish that. We're not overwhelming hospitals and deaths are way down due to vaccination and increased understanding as to how hospitalized patients are managed.

Why are we going back to mask mandates to protect people who made the conscious choice to take the risk and not get vaccinated? I'm not judging those people at all, just pointing out that we're trying to convince people to get vaccinated while at the same time telling them we'll still be requiring them to make the same freedom sacrifices as if they were not vaccinated. It's a stupid sales proposition.

 

[TreeDaddy]

I work 100 yrds away from a subway and only eat there about once every 6 months bucause their sandwiches suck. I will now NEVER again eat there.

At least with the 'rona, you wont have to taste them.......

Nevermind,they are already tasteless

bill

 

[Natty Bumppo]

And i have never called you a mindless sheep, nor less of a man for getting it. Show me one instance where i questioned you for getting it? This is the problem, the people who have gotten the jab think its ok to look down on the ones who havent. You asked a question and i answered the question and you feel slighted by my answer.
Now calling me a dumb Smile redneck while trying hard to pretend you didnt is ok? Because i choose not to buy into the hype?

Nice try, but you're not going to goad me into a pissing contest like the one you and Knerhke got into. You shared the same sentiment several times....

I know we are all dirty ,inbred, laypersons here

My only issue is with the ones who come on and tell everyone how dumb they are for not buying the hype

No, I meant what I said, just as you did. I abhor the leftists and their language towards people who, for whatever reason they cite, choose not to get this Covid vaccine. I made this same exact comment a few weeks ago in response to 4wanderingeyes....

You see it every day how the vaccinated ridicule the unvaccinated, everywhere you look. It is really hard to not get defensive when the name calling, insults, and threats happen non stop.

I responded...

I completely agree. It's disgusting the language the vaccinated are using in describing those who choose not to get it. I don't see why they simply can't respect their decision to not get it.

Not pretending anything Bill.

I have been trying to make it perfectly clear in all of my responses but I seem to be failing. I understand why somebody might distrust the vaccine, the government's pushing of it, big Pharma, the Wuhan lab, Faucci, etc. I understand fully that for most people Covid will not be catastrophic. I agree that a healthy immune system and a healthy body are the first defense. And I support those who choose not to get this vaccine. I've said this many times. They have no effect on me whatsoever. I am 95% in the same camp as most on this thread. I just tipped my decision to get the vaccine for reasons I have already elucidated. I just don't want to be called a dumb, mindless, sheep...a fearful, irrational rube...an idiotic, koolaid drinking basement dweller...a moronic, misinformed boob...because I got the vaccine.

I don't like the rhetoric and the language that is being hurled from both sides. I don't think it helps. I think all it does it divide good people. You keep saying you don't care about people who choose to get the vaccine, but you obviously DO care, and have a very low opinion of those who get the vaccine.

If you've drank the koolaid and want to spend your life in basement thats fine. Just stip trying to make everyone else do it because of you're irrational fears.

....And our president is an even more useless hack for even entertaining the morons ideas.

But dont expect me to change my life because you're an unhinged boob afraid of your own shadow.

I still for the life of me cant figure out why anyone would get it. Totaly pointless risk and its not even to keep you from getting it, just to maybe lessen the effects. Just stupid imho

you're all complete idiots for towing the line on this bs.

As long as the weak prevail this will never end. Those in charge now prey on the weak and punish the strong, its how they keep control.

Too many weak sheeple. Too many wont or can't think for themselves.

I wonder what all the rubes who got the "vaccine" without the bribes are thinking now?

At this point anyone who os still afraid of this hoax is grossly misinformed, blind, or stupid... or any combination of those.

But yet there's this.....

Natty, i dont think anyone on here has bashed anyone for getting the jab.

 

[ToddG]

Nice try, but you're not going to goad me into a pissing contest like the one you and Knerhke got into. You shared the same sentiment several times....





No, I meant what I said, just as you did. I abhor the leftists and their language towards people who, for whatever reason they cite, choose not to get this Covid vaccine. I made this same exact comment a few weeks ago in response to 4wanderingeyes....



I responded...



Not pretending anything Bill.

I have been trying to make it perfectly clear in all of my responses but I seem to be failing. I understand why somebody might distrust the vaccine, the government's pushing of it, big Pharma, the Wuhan lab, Faucci, etc. I understand fully that for most people Covid will not be catastrophic. I agree that a healthy immune system and a healthy body are the first defense. And I support those who choose not to get this vaccine. I've said this many times. They have no effect on me whatsoever. I am 95% in the same camp as most on this thread. I just tipped my decision to get the vaccine for reasons I have already elucidated. I just don't want to be called a dumb, mindless, sheep...a fearful, irrational rube...an idiotic, koolaid drinking basement dweller...a moronic, misinformed boob...because I got the vaccine.

I don't like the rhetoric and the language that is being hurled from both sides. I don't think it helps. I think all it does it divide good people. You keep saying you don't care about people who choose to get the vaccine, but you obviously DO care, and have a very low opinion of those who get the vaccine.




















But yet there's this.....

It should worry both liberals and conservatives that our government is pushing for show me your papers or else. We all have seen in history how this works out. I guess that is why they are trying to erase it by tearing down statues and only allowing subjects to be taught in our schools that are government approved. Can anyone argue that these things aren't happening? Scary times we are in!!!

 

[Troubles Trees]

I am surprised nobody mentioned antibody dependant enhancement

I haven't heard of this until now, I will definitely look it up, thank you for sharing!