2021 Scion Exchange
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BuckSnort
5 year old buck +
Funny you say that, I tried getting the counties in my area to buy Dolgo seedlings for their distribution this year and they decided that the soils were too sandy in the general area and were afraid people wouldn’t buy them or they wouldn’t do well here.
sandbur
5 year old buck +
Do you have anything on dolgo?
Dolgo has done well for me and some Anty.
B118 are somewhat tipping.
I do not plant on my lighter soils/ blow sand.
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BuckSnort
5 year old buck +
I do not have anything on Dolgo, all B118 & Antonovka. Before you shared your positive results, I had never really seen anyone promoting Dolgo before. So then when I starting looking, couldn’t seem to track any down at a reasonable price. As you know, I’ve been messing around with seeds and do have a bunch of 1 year old Dolgo seedlings in the garden. I’ll probably graft to some and just plant others to see what I get.
sandbur
5 year old buck +
Last year, I had a dolgo rootstock with three stems on it. For the heck of it, I did a root graft on one part and it did well.
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AvidSlacker
A good 3 year old buck
I have some scion wood of Khurma Zima cold-hardy persimmon to send -- just cut them today and put in the fridge! I grafted this variety from Cliff England's scion and this is how he describes it: "Zima khurma =NB-02 Persimmon bred out of Nikitskaya Bordovaya, cold hardy and good producer of orange medium to large size fruit that ripens Late-season on a semi-vigorous tree. Has low spreading growth habit and is a beautiful specimen in the fall. Trees are very cold hardy tested down to minus -16.4 F for a long time. This cultivar was bred in Japan and brought to America by Jerry Lehman of Terre Haute, Indiana. Zone 5b to ZONE 8, tested to -16 F." Mine has not produced fruit yet so can't tell you what it's like, but it has grown very well in our yard (North-East Ohio).
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AvidSlacker
A good 3 year old buck
Hi, I planted an Antonovka apple tree in muy backyeard, and would love to get a liberty scion to try to graft on it. We just started gardening and I have a Zima Khurma persimmon scion, and of course Antonovka scion to offer.
White Birch Farm
5 year old buck +
Yes, that is a common result with vigorous varieties grown in good conditions.
Anecdotal observation or somewhere in the research?
White Birch Farm
5 year old buck +
“Because of the vigor of the rootstock it is only recommended for spur strains of apple or in weak soil or replant situations.”
Apple Rootstocks: Capabilities and Limitations
Penn State participates in multi-state apple rootstock trials, such the NC-140 rootstock project. The following rootstock descriptions and comments are based on results from these trials.
extension.psu.edu
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b118 is recognized as being free standing and without needing support in the research. That doesn't mean that is always accurate. I was simply asking if you were stating your personal experience with b118 as being a recognized fact or simply what you've observed at your growing location.
White Birch Farm
5 year old buck +
Let’s see that research.
Here's one bit. https://apples.extension.org/apple-rootstock-info-b-118/ Do your own digging from here on
White Birch Farm
5 year old buck +
Ha! If that is what you consider research that probably explains why you are unaware of the common issue of tipping with B118.
Do a little research...talk to some people with actual experience growing vigorous varieties for wildlife on B118....the facts speak for themselves.
There is a reason why growers who produce trees for wildlife are steering away from B118 for better anchored varieties like P18, Ant and Dolgo, all despite the fact that B118 is easier to produce.
White Birch Farm
5 year old buck +
If qouting from sites constitutes research, then this is research stating that B118 requires support.
This webpage has zero research. It is simply a commercial webpage. Quite possibly lacking the word "doesn't"
This page is a nationally recognized source of information compiled from the NC-140 research plots. https://apples.extension.org/apple-rootstock-info-b-118/
It's okay to say b118s lean at your place. It isn't okay to say b118s lean at sites with good soils across the board. But you go ahead and be you, you shining star
White Birch Farm
5 year old buck +
Wow...dont even know where to start on addressing all of the inconsistencies and misrepresentations in that one!
First, I post information from a site that is owned by a participant in NC-140, which makes it clear they do not recomend using B-118 on good soils with vigorous varieties and you ignore it. Then you turn around and state that my source should be considered a gold standard? Obviously, you either are not reading the “research” as you call it, or you simply dont understand the content.
Second, you attempt to attribute a blanket statement to me, which I did not even make.
Third, I can absolutely state that this is not a problem isolated to my property, and honestly if you had any clue about what you are talking about you would know that. A simple search of this forum, or even a google search, will disclose a multitude of respected growers all of who have experienced notable issues of leaning with B-118 where it would not have been expected if the roorstock truly never required support as a wildlife tree.
At this point, I really have to ask what varieties are you growing on B118 and how much growth are getting on the annually?
