Global warming

Why not put the wind underground like hydro. Just have an entrance point (hole). and Miles of underground tunnels. Out of sight out of mind. The first part of the tunnel is warmed by global warming and the other end is cooled by global cooling. This creates tremendous velocity in the tunnels and turns multiple turbines. All out of sight. You can build housing developments right on top of them. And nobody is allowed to steal my idea ok. LOL.

Mortenson said:

Anyone been to Duluth? You northerners are getting quite the dose of global warming... I just saw Duluth and Brainerd are on their 12th straight day of 20 below the average temps.

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I am 40 miles south of Duluth.

The air has had a bite

Not getting involved. Just sharing information.

"If we don't take action, then in 12 years we will have to explain why the world hasn't ended and come up with a new number," one UN scientist warned. "This is a very serious threat, and we urge everyone to hand control of the economy to the government immediately before we have no more time left to change the timeline again."

........Im ready for some global warming in east texas......

bill

chucker66 said:

How come the wind turbines in Texas break but the ones in Iowa were working Monday when I drove by and it was -20?

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I'm amazed at how the liberal leaning areas cry about natural disasters, yet didn't Iowa flood a couple years ago? Aren't the dakotas flooded nearly every year (I watched the new duck hunting MeatEater last night) Yet 3 days of ice in texas and the world stops. Forest fires in california and its all we hear.

When covid hit NY state was the forefront of the battle. "Everyone was dying in italy" is what I heard.

All a flippin agenda. I think we should watch and listen to less media, and spend more time burning chainsaw gas.

I think it was someone in a past presidential cabinet that said " never let a crisis go to waste "
Thats probably not word for word but you get the idea.
Im pretty sure it wasnt president trumps, i think it was the one before him.....

Bill Loser said:

I think it was someone in a past presidential cabinet that said " never let a crisis go to waste "
Thats probably not word for word but you get the idea.
Im pretty sure it wasnt president trumps, i think it was the one before him.....

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That was Eric Holder, Obama's attorney general.

Now it’s all Ted Cruz fault because he went to Cancun!

Tap said:

That was Eric Holder, Obama's attorney general.

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Rahm Emanuel! Another of Chicago's finest! Obama's chief of staff and former mayor.

Mortenson said:

Rahm Emanuel! Another of Chicago's finest! Obama's chief of staff and former mayor.

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I stand corrected. They are both from the same rat's nest.

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Mortenson said:

Rahm Emanuel! Another of Chicago's finest! Obama's chief of staff and former mayor.

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You are correct!

roymunson said:

I'm amazed at how the liberal leaning areas cry about natural disasters, yet didn't Iowa flood a couple years ago? Aren't the dakotas flooded nearly every year (I watched the new duck hunting MeatEater last night) Yet 3 days of ice in texas and the world stops. Forest fires in california and its all we hear.

When covid hit NY state was the forefront of the battle. "Everyone was dying in italy" is what I heard.

All a flippin agenda. I think we should watch and listen to less media, and spend more time burning chainsaw gas.

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Iowa floods almost every year. The soil has been over tilled and it rain isn't able to infiltrate. I fully believe "global warming" (I don't buy in but for sake of argument) could be solved by no till and cover crops in short order.

Baker said:

I don't live in Texas and would quickly agree that politics love to capitalize on misfortune and rarely take responsibility much less effective creative thinking.My comment was from something I read in the WSJ. For brevity here is a paragraph that if accurate points to part of the problem down there including the reliance on wind turbines.

he problem is Texas’s overreliance on wind power that has left the grid more vulnerable to bad weather. Half of wind turbines froze last week, causing wind’s share of electricity to plunge to 8% from 42%. Power prices in the wholesale market spiked, and grid regulators on Friday warned of rolling blackouts. Natural gas and coal generators ramped up to cover the supply gap but couldn’t meet the surging demand for electricity—which half of households rely on for heating—even as many families powered up their gas furnaces. Then some gas wells and pipelines froze.
In short, there wasn’t sufficient baseload power from coal and nuclear to support the grid. Baseload power is needed to stabilize grid frequency amid changes in demand and supply. When there’s not enough baseload power, the grid gets unbalanced and power sources can fail. The more the grid relies on intermittent renewables like wind and solar, the more baseload power is needed to back them up.
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I think we both agree its a mess. But I think the article is ambiguous, One could say Texas as zero reliance on wind power, its a supplemental add on to an already monomorphically problematic petroleum/coal based system that is obviously failing, as the article indicated, by not even having enough capacity for that type of service to meet the Baseload power. I can clearly see that it points to the fact that both are flawed. We have had 150 plus years to get it to work, served us well and we will need it for manufacturing and products forever but its time was up 50 years ago. Your fertilizer argument to me is proof of that. The first of anything has problems... the solutions to our energy problems are long term but we need to start making efforts at bringing different pieces of the pie to the table. This nation is being held back by its outdated reliance on an essentially singular source of BTU's.

I used to sit up on top of the Coker Unit and look down at rail cars being loaded for making fertilizer then glance over at the huge spill area that never got remediated just covered over - unused parking lot.... then turn and look at the Yellowstone thinking what a nasty way to destroy the planet. But like I said it was Cha-ching in the pocket for me and everyone else right up to the top. Its a con, we knew it then and they know it now.... just a run for the money.

Everybody is bedded down with Big Oil... automobile industry, Ag, ... you name it... They run this country, they run you and they run me. We are all on their leash, its time we chewed through it.

jsasker007 said:

I like the hydro option the best. Water is always moving(ocean).

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I am a big fisheries guy and Hate hydo power. ANY dam for that matter. If I was one of the worlds last survivors I would make it a top priority to blow up every dam i could . Dams have created more fisheries problems than most realize. Minnesota is finally prioritizing dam removal. It has been a hot topic here for years. Unfortunately, the one local "historic" dam just had millions spent on it. Removing that one dam would have had a huge impact on cold water recreation and the fishery itself. One year to late I guess. The only thing historic in this country has been suppressed and almost completely destroyed. There hasn't been anything I would view as "Historic" in this country since before Columbus landed "here".

Don't think minnesota knows which way is up anymore. What's the goal? flooding?

An interesting compilation of 50 years worth of Earth ending mis-predictions by science.
When I talk about this stuff I am always immediately considered a "denier" or conspiracy theorist but really, when the facts are on the table who is the conspiracy group? For the record I am very pro-science. If I wanted to know what and how many bacteria are on my keyboard, science can tell me to a high degree of accuracy. But apparently the best scientists even today are predictably wrong on so many occasions, well that isn't entirely true. The scientists that make the news in these articles are the wrong ones, in every prediction falsely made in the past there was another scientist that was right but wasn't given much of a voice by the populous.
We once believed the Earth was flat, then it was round but was the center of our galaxy and everything revolved around Earth. Then we realized the Earth revolves around the Sun and the Sun was the center of our universe, and also thought it spun consistently on an axis like globes we had in our classrooms. Today we realize that our Earths axis has a wobble and the center of our universe is actually a black hole in our Milky Way (if you haven't read it yet, Japan monitored the path of stars and planets and mapped it) and everything revolves around it. The science is never settled and we always seem to give the loudest voice to the wrong ones, Al Gore is a good example even though he isn't a scientist he allegedly speaks for the Scientific community.

jsasker007 said:

Don't think minnesota knows which way is up anymore. What's the goal? flooding?

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Dams don't prevent flooding. They are a shitty bandaid at best.

S.T.Fanatic said:

Dams don't prevent flooding. They are a shitty bandaid at best.

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I think dams on smaller water ways should be removed. But dams on main shipping travel routes, such as the Mississippi are to valuable to get rid of. There is a lot of shipping going north and south on the Mississippi that I dont ever see the dams being removed.

A lot of the problem with oil/gas related power generation in Texas was failure to properly insulate against extremely cold temperatures. How many folks that live in the Yukon put air conditioners in their house. But, I am sure a lot of that will change in TX - there will be changes in insulation and freezing prevention in the oil and gas industry in TX - on that you can bet. I am not sure what preventative measures can be taken to prevent windmills from icing up and solar panels from being covered with snow. But the biggest problem with wind and solar is the inability to increase output at will - anytime day or night. We, in the south, largely use electric heat pumps for heating our houses. They are inefficient at best in extremely cold weather and draw inordinate amounts of electricity when the emergency heat strips kick on - which happened in mass. Lets just say, for arguments sake, all of the generation equipment had performed during this cold spell. When power use doubles overnight, carbon related power generation - oil/coal/gas - can be brought on line or ramped up much more quickly and easily than wind or solar. I believe that the inability of current green energy technology to provide peak use power quickly and easily is going to be difficult to overcome.