Ouch, high fence deer that got loose

Most of the time I am a "to each is their own" and try not to judge others.

But I do have an opinion though, being a hunter I understand what it takes to harvest an old deer and hold out for something sporting solid headgear. I have a neighbor above me that I, for many years admired as an awesome hunter after I saw the simply awesome Whitetail head mounts in his house he said he took locally. He and his son consistently take what always seem to be the biggest bucks taken locally almost every year a few of them I have had on cams.

I was out drinking with one of his nephews a few years ago and when I brought up the topic he laughed and told me that they don't even hunt. Puzzled I pushed him for answers, he said "your property borders theirs, you ever hear gunshots at night before season?" I said yea of course, all the time but Odie said they hunt coyotes at night with rifles. He said, "they don't hunt coyotes at night with rifles, how do you think they consistently kill the biggest bucks around?" I felt my soul die a little bit there, I have always praised these 2 as great hunters to everyone, to find that out really pinched a nerve. How the heck can someone claim they are such great hunters and yet knowingly robbing me, and all our neighbors, of the chance at all those big boys?

Back on topic, killing high fence deer is only hard on the wallet. I don't care if someone wants to, I have a problem with those that try to pretend they actually went out and put in the work then hunted it to get it, I have a few friends that do it but they are never open about the pricetag on the deers head before "hunting it". When I look at the racks on my wall and can remember everything about that days hunt, the trailcams if I have them, even what the weather was like.

When people look at the high fence mounts what do they reminisce? To each is their own, at least be honest about it.
 
Most of the time I am a "to each is their own" and try not to judge others.

But I do have an opinion though, being a hunter I understand what it takes to harvest an old deer and hold out for something sporting solid headgear. I have a neighbor above me that I, for many years admired as an awesome hunter after I saw the simply awesome Whitetail head mounts in his house he said he took locally. He and his son consistently take what always seem to be the biggest bucks taken locally almost every year a few of them I have had on cams.

I was out drinking with one of his nephews a few years ago and when I brought up the topic he laughed and told me that they don't even hunt. Puzzled I pushed him for answers, he said "your property borders theirs, you ever hear gunshots at night before season?" I said yea of course, all the time but Odie said they hunt coyotes at night with rifles. He said, "they don't hunt coyotes at night with rifles, how do you think they consistently kill the biggest bucks around?" I felt my soul die a little bit there, I have always praised these 2 as great hunters to everyone, to find that out really pinched a nerve. How the heck can someone claim they are such great hunters and yet knowingly robbing me, and all our neighbors, of the chance at all those big boys?

Back on topic, killing high fence deer is only hard on the wallet. I don't care if someone wants to, I have a problem with those that try to pretend they actually went out and put in the work then hunted it to get it, I have a few friends that do it but they are never open about the pricetag on the deers head before "hunting it". When I look at the racks on my wall and can remember everything about that days hunt, the trailcams if I have them, even what the weather was like.

When people look at the high fence mounts what do they reminisce? To each is their own, at least be honest about it.
i can get with you on most of that Troubles. My primary divergence is that I truly don't care if someone gets their kicks from killing a penned deer. I know it's not real hunting. They know it's not real hunting. If they want to be silly, go ahead.

The arguement cold be made that me only hunting private land is an advantage over the public land boys. (i know, fair chase is fair chase) but I simply don't hunt to impress others. I want to hunt to satisfy myself. The rest of these guys can hunt for what they want.
 
Hunters make up 5% of the population (maybe less?) and we are beholden to the non-hunting public's desires if hunting is to continue.

Farming science experiment deer so some clown can pay $15k to mount it on his wall and pretend like he's a skilled outdoorsman sure doesn't improve public perception. Throw the fact that they are putting wild populations at risk of CWD outbreaks is enough for me to feel perfectly fine with shutting them down. They aren't all bad but enough of them have operated with zero regard for the public's wildlife that I can't justify protecting the good ones.


Then there is this clown.
 
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Hunters make up 3% of the population (maybe less?) and we are beholden to the non-hunting public's desires if hunting is to continue.

Farming science experiment deer so some clown can pay $15k to mount it on his wall and pretend like he's a skilled outdoorsman sure doesn't improve public perception. Throw the fact that they are putting wild populations at risk of CWD outbreaks is enough for me to feel perfectly fine with shutting them down. They aren't all bad but enough of them have operated with zero regard for the public's wildlife that I can't justify protecting the good ones.


Then there is this clown.
All high fences are essentially deer farms whether you introduce genetics are not. So if a ban came down it would interesting to see it’s reach. I would love it if they banned any fence over a certain footage with the idea to keep wildlife in/out.
 
All high fences are essentially deer farms whether you introduce genetics are not. So if a ban came down it would interesting to see it’s reach. I would love it if they banned any fence over a certain footage with the idea to keep wildlife in/out.

That is a good point. High fences for keeping wildlife in aren't really a thing outside of farmed deer in the northern midwest as far as I know. I know the south is a different story.

Frankly, the idea of fences that dont allow wildlife to cross is repulsive to me. I hope we don't ever get to be like TX in that regard.
 
Speaking for myself only---If it's legal go right ahead. Who am I to judge? I'm not a Democrat for gods' sake!
 
That is a good point. High fences for keeping wildlife in aren't really a thing outside of farmed deer in the northern midwest as far as I know. I know the south is a different story.

Frankly, the idea of fences that dont allow wildlife to cross is repulsive to me. I hope we don't ever get to be like TX in that regard.
I don’t have enough adjectives to describe what I think of it. I don’t care if it’s 5 acres or 50,000, it’s repulsive and against the very nature of fair chase
 
Why is everyone complaining about what someone else does if it is legal? Division amongst hunters is probably the fastest way to make sure hunting/firearms becomes a thing of the past in my opinion.
 
Why is everyone complaining about what someone else does if it is legal? Division amongst hunters is probably the fastest way to make sure hunting/firearms becomes a thing of the past in my opinion.
Legality doesn’t equal morality to me. Laws change all the time and I don’t have to agree with them regardless. It’s legal to cheat on your wife but I don’t think it’s right
 
Why is everyone complaining about what someone else does if it is legal? Division amongst hunters is probably the fastest way to make sure hunting/firearms becomes a thing of the past in my opinion.
Its not hunting, therefore they are not hunters. Shooting penned deer is poison to the word "hunting".

Just because things are legal, that doesn't make them right.... or good for the resource by any means.
 
Interesting. Segregating different forms of hunting will eventually result in no hunting of any kind.
 
Interesting. Segregating different forms of hunting will eventually result in no hunting of any kind.
Don’t believe that for one second. What if someone wants to spotlight deer or hunt big game with traps? Since it’s illegal are we segregating those “hunters”? Should we have everyone’s back cause somehow that is going to make less land disappear to development? That is the ultimate threat to hunting. Not a bunch of infighting or laws limiting hunting opportunities
 
It's not fish in a barrel. Enough acreage for the deer gives them plenty of room to avoid predators(hunters). How about hunting with dogs? How about hunting over a bait pile or a feeder? Is that any more fair? Divide and conquer is proven to be effective and i'd hate to see hunters do that to themselves. Maybe some jealousy?
 
Legal is the key here. If you can go to jail for doing it---the choice is up to you. Rifle hunters bitch about bow hunters taking unethical shots. Then there is crossbow hunting that some want gone. When hunting is no more who can we blame? United or divided, where are we?
 
Why is everyone complaining about what someone else does if it is legal? Division amongst hunters is probably the fastest way to make sure hunting/firearms becomes a thing of the past in my opinion.

I'd argue that hunters supporting dumbass actions of other hunters hurts a lot worse. If we're going to convince the 95% of non-hunting americans that hunting is a good thing, we aren't going to do it by being associated with people who pay a years worth of food in exchange for the opportunity to shoot live stock for their big antlers and call it hunting. Especially when said livestock frequently exists at the detriment of the public's wildlife. So far the best reasoning i've seen to justify breeding livestock to be shot by wannabe hunters is "It's Legal" and "with enough acreage it might not be easy". Sorry but those aren't reasons to support anything.
 
Legal is the key here. If you can go to jail for doing it---the choice is up to you. Rifle hunters bitch about bow hunters taking unethical shots. Then there is crossbow hunting that some want gone. When hunting is no more who can we blame? United or divided, where are we?
Not gonna compromise my morals and values to MAYBE benefit a larger cause. Though I don’t believe it matters. It’s a convenient excuse to say to people to get them give in to something they don’t agree with
 
Interesting. Segregating different forms of hunting will eventually result in no hunting of any kind.

If it doesn’t require a hunting license it’s not hunting. This isn’t segregating hunters it’s segregating people who shoot penned deer from others who think it’s repulsive.

• hunting in general receives high public support from non-hunters.
•Hunting over bait receives less support.
• trophy hunting receives even less public support.
•”Hunting” penned deer receives almost no public support (even from hunters).

This is extremely important because non-hunters are the ones that determine whether or not hunters have the right to hunt.

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I'd argue that hunters supporting dumbass actions of other hunters hurts a lot worse. If we're going to convince the 95% of non-hunting americans that hunting is a good thing, we aren't going to do it by being associated with people who pay a years worth of food in exchange for the opportunity to shoot live stock for their big antlers and call it hunting. Especially when said livestock frequently exists at the detriment of the public's wildlife. So far the best reasoning i've seen to justify breeding livestock to be shot by wannabe hunters is "It's Legal" and "with enough acreage it might not be easy". Sorry but those aren't reasons to support anything.
well said. And on the topic of optics for non hunters imagine being a neighbor of one of these places that erects a high fence keeping freedom of movement from the wildlife they are one time enjoyed watching.
That is the people’s wildlife being caged in for an individuals enjoyment. Should be 100% illegal
 
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