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Bill Loser said:
Natty, that was me that made the no middle ground comment. To be clear that wasn't about the so called vaccines. It was about the vid in general. And i stand by that statement. There is no middle ground when it comes to this grossly over blown and politicized sickness. There is only right and wrong. The ones pedaling fear and massive government control ARE wrong period. There is and can be no middle ground here.
As far as the vacs? I could care less. I believe what i believe on those. But you do you and I'll do me and we all go on happily. I dont get the flu shots either so I've kinda set a precedent for myself.
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I don't get the flu shot either. I don't even take Advil. So, yes, I hear you and agree. And I do agree that this whole mess is grossly overblown and politicized. It's too bad. I don't see why fighting something like this doesn't unit Americans.
 
4wanderingeyes said:
You see it every day how the vaccinated ridicule the unvaccinated, everywhere you look. It is really hard to not get defensive when the name calling, insults, and threats happen non stop.
I have a hard time understanding the huge drive to get everyone a shot, that has no long term testing, and is new technology.
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I completely agree. It's disgusting the language the vaccinated are using in describing those who choose not to get it. I don't see why they simply can't respect their decision to not get it. It doesn't affect them in the slightest IF the vaccine truly works.
 
My employer is now telling me since I am not vaccinated, I have to do weekly testing and have to wear a mask outside even when no ones around. How does that make any sense. Who am I going to infect if no ones around. The more they pressure me, the more I will resist. This is a bunch of BS
 
Natty Bumppo said:
A few pages back somebody made a comment that "there is no middle on this one"...then there was a bunch of name calling. I think that kind of statement and mentality on a hot button issue only divides very good people.

It shouldn't matter to anybody what somebody else chooses to do in regards to the vaccine. If it works, which the data suggest it does (99% of all cases now are among the unvaccinated), then people who believe in science and got the shot should feel safe and unthreatened by the unvaccinated. Conversely, those who believe the virus is a hoax and distrust the science and government should not feel threatened by those who chose to get the vaccine. I don't see the need for all of the name calling and hyperbole?

I got experimental anti-chemical weapons shots when deployed during Desert Storm. We had to sign a release saying that we could not discuss or acknowledge that we even got the shots. We had to take a small white pill every 12 hours...also for anti-chemical weapon defense. 35 year later roughly 200,000 DStorm vets suffer a wide range of symptoms loosely referred to as Desert Storm Syndrome. I am no stranger to the dangers of taking experimental government vaccines and the potential long term threat they pose. Yet, I got the Covid-19 vaccine after much thought. I am healthy 52 year old. I have a strong immune system. I wasn't really concerned about my ability to fight Covid-19 if I caught it. But, I just didn't want to get it. There are many people who fight this thing just fine but then have "long haul" symptoms...to include heart and lung damage...and I simply did not want to risk that possibility. Like many of you, I am very active and athletic. Many of you know that I like to get out and chase whitetails in Larry Benoit style in the late season. I simply didn't want to risk my long term health...and getting the vaccine was the lesser of two evils based on my research, and my data review, and my understanding of the vaccine and Covid-19.

So, call me a sheep...or misinformed...or ignorant. I fully understand why some people chose not to get the vaccine. And I respect that. And I fully understand why some choose to get it. That is also respected. I don't understand or respect some of the language, hyperbole, and invective in a thread like this that just divides us. There IS a middle on this if people choose to set their own egos aside and consider both sides of the issue.
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I seriously doubt that there are many people that believe covid, in of itself, is a "hoax". Many believe a lot of what we are being told about it is a hoax, misrepresentations, exaggerations, and lies. And that's just referring to the virus.
Pile on top of that crap sandwich, the jab, and we now have a bullsh*t salad of manipulation.

A few things that I just can't get past...
The VAERS numbers. The fact that once the jab is injected, there is no antidote for it. The huge drop in flu numbers. Very little change in the total numbers of deaths. The hundreds of the patents on all of this. The places that had the strictest lock downs fared worse than the places with lesser lockdowns.
And probably my number one reason that I distrust what we are being told... The feds, and big media have turned lies into an industry. They lie, they manipulate, and they control. That's what they they do. Why on earth would I trust them on this?
 
Tap said:
I seriously doubt that there are many people that believe covid, in of itself, is a "hoax". Many believe a lot of what we are being told about it is a hoax, misrepresentations, exaggerations, and lies. And that's just referring to the virus.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Just typing too fast. I have a hard time imagining anybody believes the virus itself is a hoax.
 
People could unite if the media and government weren't in cahoots against the public knowing the truth about anything. See a pattern?
 
4wanderingeyes said:
You see it every day how the vaccinated ridicule the unvaccinated, everywhere you look. It is really hard to not get defensive when the name calling, insults, and threats happen non stop.
I have a hard time understanding the huge drive to get everyone a shot, that has no long term testing, and is new technology.

I understand COVID is scary, but survival rates amounst all age groups combined is very high, and just not worth the drive to get everyone an experimental shot. One that isn’t approved by the FDA.
They won’t even accept the fact the natural immunity from having COVID as acceptable.

I for one won’t be lining up until I see a benefit, and not a risk for getting the shot. Once they can tell me honestly the risks, and side effects, and successful ness of the shot, without hiding everything negative. Try discussing it honestly on Facebook. Your post will either be deleted, flagged, hidden with warnings, or if you post in a page, you will get kicked off for questioning the vaccine. Sounds to me like a cover up. To many question marks, and not enough benefit for me, at least yet.

I have brought this up before, I may at some time get one, but for my wife, and in-laws. My in-laws won’t come visit us, and if we see them they act like we have the plague, and stay 10 feet away. My wife also likes to cruise, and we have a couple booked, and I am hoping the relax some of their regulations before our cruise dates, because right now I would rather not go and forfeit my money I put down on the cruise then deal with the regulations they have in place now.
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If it kept my in-laws away I wouldn’t have gotten the shot.
 
jsasker007 said:
People could unite if the media and government weren't in cahoots against the public knowing the truth about anything. See a pattern?
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I fully believe the media's business model is to stroke fear and hatred. They certainly aren't giving pep-rallies on how to unite and embrace each other's strengths to overcome problems. I watch very little news, listen to some talk radio, and avoid most social media like it's the plague. What little I do come across always disappoints. I don't like being told how I should feel about things, that I'm capable of murder because I own a certain gun, that I'm a racist, a sexist, and not compassionate to the low income. Just tell me what happened. Lots of manipulation going on.

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Tap said:
I seriously doubt that there are many people that believe covid, in of itself, is a "hoax". Many believe a lot of what we are being told about it is a hoax, misrepresentations, exaggerations, and lies. And that's just referring to the virus.
Pile on top of that crap sandwich, the jab, and we now have a bullsh*t salad of manipulation.

A few things that I just can't get past...
The VAERS numbers. The fact that once the jab is injected, there is no antidote for it. The huge drop in flu numbers. Very little change in the total numbers of deaths. The hundreds of the patents on all of this. The places that had the strictest lock downs fared worse than the places with lesser lockdowns.
And probably my number one reason that I distrust what we are being told... The feds, and big media have turned lies into an industry. They lie, they manipulate, and they control. That's what they they do. Why on earth would I trust them on this?
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Thats exactly it. The vid is real, no doubt. But its not anywhere even close to as dangerous or deadly as we are being told.
The media and most in government are thriving now ,feeding on the fear they keep stoking. They lie they cheat they steal and we are supposed to trust them? Nah im good.
 
I dont really know how deadly or dangerous it really is compared to anything. I will say this, I am 66 years old and dont know anyone personally who has died of flu. In the past year, I personally know three people who died of covid, one more who has developed heart problems immediately after contracting covid, and another who almost died and didnt - but now has problems with blood clots.
 
SwampCat said:
I dont really know how deadly or dangerous it really is compared to anything. I will say this, I am 66 years old and dont know anyone personally who has died of flu. In the past year, I personally know three people who died of covid, one more who has developed heart problems immediately after contracting covid, and another who almost died and didnt - but now has problems with blood clots.
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Did any of them have early treatment?
Hydroxy, Ivermectin?

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Usually it's a much bigger concern to the elderly---so is everything else. Covid has been weaponized by the media and government for control. Lots of money in play with this whole "pandemic". Several drug companies came out with a vaccine before J & J but for some reason the government bought their vaccines from J & J. Why? Should there be more than 1 vaccine? If one is the best then that's the vaccine everyone should be getting. Are they doing any good? Why wear a mask if you have already been given the vaccine? Huh. Masks are to protect the person wearing it---period. To say the mask is to protect others makes no sense. All these years when you go to the doctor they were wearing masks to protect the patients from the doctors? What?
 
Tap said:
Did any of them have early treatment?
Hydroxy, Ivermectin?

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I dont know what the treatment regime was. One was early on - got sick last July, ended up being on the vent for over 30 days and died Sept 2. I think treatment has vastly improved since then. The last one was wife’s 45 year old BIL who ended up in hospital twice, and according to his wife, he was denied infusion treatment because he did not meet the 55 yr old age requirement. I know another guy who thought he was going to die and got the infusion treatment and within hours, was on the mend.
 
SwampCat said:
I dont know what the treatment regime was. One was early on - got sick last July, ended up being on the vent for over 30 days and died Sept 2. I think treatment has vastly improved since then. The last one was wife’s 45 year old BIL who ended up in hospital twice, and according to his wife, he was denied infusion treatment because he did not meet the 55 yr old age requirement. I know another guy who thought he was going to die and got the infusion treatment and within hours, was on the mend.
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I asked for the Trump treatment because of my pre existing conditions. I was denied and told to go to the ER if it got to where I couldn’t breath. Really pissed me off that I wasn’t worthy of the treatment.
 
The Milwaukee Bucks are houning the vaccine pushers. The are bribing unsuspecting rubes with a chance to win finals tickets if they get the experiment shot into their arm. Yeah , thats normal.
 
Premise #1. Viruses mutate. Premise #2. Eventually, mutations will lead to a more severe or contagious form of virus that eludes current vaccines. Premise #3. If you deny viruses a host, then you eliminate their chance to mutate.

It seems logical to me that many folks, including the government, would push vaccinations, both locally and across the globe, even in countries where they don't hold sway. I personally feel that every individual needs to make their own choice. But I don't need to contrive a government power-play in order to rationalize the general pressure to vaccinate. I fully understand the issues, motivations, potential benefits, gaps in credibility, and lack of long term data. And I still feel that this should be a health-care based decision - though I acknowledge the truth behind governmental mistrust. To me, it seems like one's decision is informed by the balance between this mistrust and a belief in the potential benefit of vaccination.

I will put forth that because of the magnitude of the crisis coupled with the "information age", this is the most transparent health care effort in history, barring the Sinovac vaccine numbers lol.
 
I was kinda with you K ,until you went with the phrase "magnitude of this crisis". This is most deffinately not a crisis of any magnitude. Its a virus that the government under obama and health officials lead by Fauchi made in a lab. Their biggest f up? Its mot nearly as deadly as they hoped or planned.
A vaccine that is 90% effective to combat a virus that is 98.8% survivable is just stupid. Add to that the fact that its totally untested anf the government is bribing people to get it? It smells of bad intentions. Then you look at all the unreported adverse side effects? Imo its utterly pointless to get the shot.
 
Democrats and Chinese want reduced populations, smaller family sizes. That's known by everyone. Socialized medicine leads to poor and severely underfunded health care, and eventually death panels. Also known by everyone. Creating a disease in a Chinese lab that kills the old and unhealthy comes as no surprise.
 
Again, it’s the manipulation of the numbers to push an agenda that irks me. Right now in NY we have Dem lawmakers pushing for reinstating mask mandates on the premise there’s a new surge and cases are rising rapidly. When 300,000 people a day were being tested and 3000 were positive the infection rate was 1%. But, they‘re not using that now. Today there were only 60,000 people tested and 860 were positive. That’s not a lot of people in a State with 19 million in it but these politicians are pushing that the positivity rate is rising rapidly because it’s now 1.5% or something. Now, most people can do the math but, really? 860 positive out of 19 million people and they want to reinstate masks and possible lockdowns again. I hope they get called out on this number manipulation game and people see the agenda for what it really is.
 
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