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Got it. Was trying to understand the dynamic. Pretty typical it seems unfortunately.

I love these discussion, I appreciate the post! I’m the same I don’t hate anyone on here who baits despite my strong opinions on it. No one will ever convince me to bait but I like learning what motivates others who have differing opinions than mine. If anything maybe I can use that in real...

sorry I want to follow. What is your neighborhood like in terms of hunter? I know the neighbors bait successfully but what are they killing, mature bucks or not?

The draw is pretty close to “magic”. I’m pretty sure you know that too. You’ve even referenced your neighbors success with it. You think they are just heads and shoulders better woodsman that you?? How successful would they be if hey couldn’t bait?

Hmm yeah pretty much they throw a lot of good sense out the window. Now granted I’m sure you can’t smell like a gas station biscuit upwind of the feeder but I think the draw is strong enough to overcome a lot of good sense. I’m pretty sure my 75 year old female neighbor would not have shot a...

But you have a limit right? I mean why are we blackballing thermal hunters? What about guys who live through their kids athletic endeavors all fall and have no weekends to hunt, shouldn’t we give them the summers to get out and have fun? I’m being ridiculous obviously but to say we shouldn’t...

Shooting deer with a thermal at night would be a blast right? I mean people love it for coyotes so surely it would be as good if not better.

I get where you’re coming from and I do somewhat agree that there is a step even harder than a compound bow. But I will say for 99% of shooters, the ethical range of a compound bow on a whitetail deer, not elk, should be sub 30 yards. I know everyone wants to be Cam Haynes and Levi Morgan and...

Because that’s the point of seasons I assumed? It falls to my point, why have a distinction if there’s no inherent difference?

Yeah but you’re reaching. I’m gonna challenge that your kid became proficient enough to ethically shoot a whitetail deer at 40 yards in a day. Could he hit a target, I buy that but I’ve been bow hunting for 30 years and I’ve never attempted a 40 yard shot at a deer. Ive seen 5 year old stack...

My point is the distinction between weapons is what defines seasons. Archery/muzzleloader/rifle (gun). The crossbow is every bit a gun as it is a bow. The similarities with bow begins and ends with the projectile it’s fires somewhat resembling an arrow (ironically it’s not even called an arrow)...

Where I differ is wildlife is not livestock. To the contrary wildlife is wild, it’s beautiful and majestic and in a sense perfect in its environment. Livestock is controlled, depleted of all semblance of its wild ancestors and shouldn’t/wouldn’t be there if it weren’t for us. They are stupid...

Well then why limit the calibers and we should allow .50 cals and the like to be used. I’d bet as a numbers game more deer are lost with a gun than a bow every year. Don’t want that so let’s make sure we take all sport out and just get to a quick static end result every year. Actually why even...

I don’t totally disagree but i do disagree that there isn’t any nuance. For some of us, those who truly do it as a defensive tactic, not the ol well it’s defensive but yeah the feeder just so happens to be in the plot I was hunting this evening…not that guy. The ones who won’t dare hunt anywhere...

So admittedly it’s easier to shoot (and absolutely easier to hunt with) a crossgun than a bow. Thus eliminating one of, if not the greatest barrier to entry to hunt in archery season. Practicing and effort. Therefore, reducing the point of having weapon differentiation between seasons. So my...

I did defensive baiting for the last four years. Spent thousands a year to learn a valuable lesson. It doesn’t work. Rut+rifle is the great destroyer of age structure.

Isn’t that the truth. I think most “normal” net worth people are terrified when they take that leap. Whether it’s depleting your savings or going further into debt or both, it’s usually a sleepless night or two. But it generally all works out somehow. And worst case scenario for most, you have...

This is one I hope/feel is true. I would love for voter fraud to be exposed and proven to be true. The left has clung to the narrative it’s bs

Yeah I’ve heard that stuff before. And I buy it, I don’t believe it’s worth anything more than a comfort blanket. In this particular instance I told the seller take the other offer, I can’t hang with those guys. He was a friend of mine so I didn’t want him to miss out

I had the dream 640 verbally agreed to 4 years ago. After a long story had to bow out when he had an offer for the full 820 and I couldn’t swing it. Well fast fwd 4 years and I’m pretty I’ve now paid more for my 700 then the 820!