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That’s exciting! Love buying neighbors. How big?

But to your point they could omit them, though I’d argue it’d be a nightmare to parse out. I think (just a guess) they are agnostic to it and just defer to state laws as to not isolate anyone. A lot of these organizations take very safe stances i.e ducks unlimited, nda and nwtf

Not if you kill one in Iowa or Illinois over bait. They are just following the state game laws. not exactly sticking their necks out there.

Yeah definitely must have different experiences across landscapes I suppose. But I have a neighbor who has been an outfitter for 30 years. He relies on generally low hanging fruit of hunters to come in, sit for 3 days, and kill a buck. Thats his and basically all other deer outfitters strategy...

100%. It’s the act of hunting over it where I differentiate. But as we’ve established that is a moral and ethical reason and less an environmental for me.

Yeah, that’s all good. I definitely don’t understand it, but that’s not for me to understand everybody’s decision.

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So you’re considering baiting to make it even harder on yourself and your neighbors are such good hunters that they are more successful despite bait?

You and I both know that is 1000% not the case. I don’t care what the research says there’s zero chance on earth a bait pile does not make killing deer easier.

Don’t envy me! You’ve been more successful despite having it to myself. And I think that the crux of my argument. I don’t know the environmental impacts of baiting. But I do know it makes a guy with 20 acres, which provides very little to habitat, the possibility to destroy the ability for...

Yeah idk. I guess if you did something in season with the sole intent to attract deer to you, I suppose you could make the argument.

Yep. As good as it gets.

In my mind mowing corn is 100% baiting.

your last line got me good! Yeah I don’t claim to be Nostradamus, I just can see the pieces to the puzzle starting to fall into place. I pray I’m wrong, cause like you say, it’s lights out (no pun intended) when that happens. I’ll buy coon and squirrel dogs at that point.

I thought they were going to put an end to this bs? Meet the new boss…same as the old boss

Agreed thanks for civility and the debate. I’m by no means saying I’m right in everything I say and my opinions are subject to change with more knowledge and experience. But where I stand right now I’m comfortable in my stance. Also 5 cameras on 25000 acres! Hat tip to that!

Totally agree that regulations aren’t made in a vacuum. But that doesn’t make all of them “right”. But to the point about thermals. I’ve maintained this position since this thread started. It’s coming. A season will happen in the next couple years. This is how these things start. They get sold...

Absolutely. And I can already see the angle that will played against me…if I’m not hunting in loincloth with a slingshot then I’m a hypocrite. Fine. We all are to a degree. I hunt alone on 650 acres, I bring that part up to say the quality of deer that use my property is not subpar due to over...

I just haven’t seen us (hunters) be adamant about strengthening our regulations…forgive me for my cynicism but I have a lot of examples to the contrary

Giving the desire to make it easier and easier, I bet all that would happen is thermal companies would make a killing