The Throw n’ Mow Method

[IkemanTx]

After 3 weeks of good rains, I threw my throw n mow plot on the 1st.
Now, we have had 20 straight days without rain. Seems like it will probably be a busy.


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[pointer]

The WR I broadcast on Labor Day weekend is starting to come on pretty good and the clover is doing quite well. Definitely not a weed free or "clean" plot, but it was easy and cheap alll the while still feeding the deer.
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
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And effective!
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I would normally quote/link previous posts from this thread to this as an update, but Photobucket's change in policy makes those posts a bit worthless without the pics. So, for a recap... I planted some plots in buckwheat last spring that got away from me with weeds due to lack of maintenance. So, on Labor Day I showed up to a mess. In an effort to make some "chicken salad" I did a throw, roll, spray into the jungle of weeds with WR into two plots and WR and clover in one. We had a very dry September, so nothing really grew. This pic shows the spray and gives an idea of the weed mess I was dealing with 3 weeks after planting.
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I spread more WR on this plot and in January frost seeded some clover as it started to do what I wanted it to do. Fast forward to this May. I was very pleased with what I was seeing. Lots of WR with a good amount of clover underneath it!
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr

I was finally able to make it down to the cabin on Labor Day weekend to spread some more WR, red clover, and chicory. Much to my surprise (dismay) I came back to a much weedier plot than I had expected! The astute picture looker will notice more than just WR and clover in the pics from May. This is what the same plot looked like in Sept...
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Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
The WR had completely laid over and the broadleaf weeds had exploded! I'm not too disappointed in the WR laying down as I'm hoping that seed grows, but I was shocked by the weeds. The weeds were less than last year and had a pretty good amount of desirable stuff growing underneath all the mess.
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr

Not really having much of an option due to time I went ahead with plan of broadcasting the WR/red clover/chicory and cultipacking everything flat as I could. The plot closest to the ground blind also got 8# of sunflowers broadcast and a 50# bag of 26-6-4 (or something like that) spread on it. The others just got the seed and the packer. The three plots total about 3/4 acre; and I spread 100# of WR; and 6# of the red clover/chicory mix. I did not spray this time as I didn't want to take a chance of killing the good stuff that was there. So, right now I'm in hope and see mode. The plot is currently getting rain, but it really hasn't rained there in the past week, but may get close to 1" over the next few days.

My screen came in well! More on that in another thread...
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[Nova]

My brassica is doing fantastic with the throw, spray and roll method

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[bueller]

^^^ that looks excellent

 

[Crimson n' Camo]

2 week update………..The cereal rye has really jumped out of the ground. The clover and turnips are just now really emerging.

 

[Rit]

My throw and mow has been quite the adventure. As usual most things don't happen like I plan due to work and family obligations but I was determined to start the "process" one way or another. So just a quick refresher I am located in NW Ohio with pretty poor soils. It is very rocky, well drained, droughty soil and there isn't a whole lot of top soil. When there is a lack of rain whatever is planted dies.

My goal this year was to plant 2 plots almost an acre each. One plot was a failed switchgrass planting that was treated with Simazine (very little vegetation on this plot) and the other was a fertilized odd shaped plot that had volunteer brassicas, clover, and a flush of natural vegetation. The plan for both was to spray, throw (with a 3 point seeder), fertilize, mow, and then roll.

None of that happened exactly. I tried to spray on August 16th before a 2-week vacation. Well with hours to spare before our flight the ATV wouldn't start and after moving the 25 gallon boomless sprayer over to my tractor the sprayer wouldn't work either. Fast forward to September first I broadcast 200 lbs of triple 19 on each plot. (Previous soil test indicated very low nutrients) I then broadcast 100 lbs of WR, 5 lbs radish, and 50 lbs of WW on the bare failed CIR planting. The intent was to cultipack this plot but that never happened. Germination has been pretty poor but wasn't a total surprise the soil was very dry and hard. Perhaps cultipacking would have helped but with such little moisture I didn't have high hopes.

I broadcast the same seed mix on the second plot but added 10 lbs of AWP and 2 lbs of crimson clover. When trying to broadcast this plot the existing vegetation was to high so I set the rotary cutter as high as it would go and made one pass. Afterwards I finished broadcasting the seed, then set the cutter as low as it would go. A few before and after photos. One of the plots is starting to fill in not to bad for a first attempt. View attachment 15183 View attachment 15183 View attachment 15186 View attachment 15187 View attachment 15183 View attachment 15186 View attachment 15187

 

[Rit]

Not sure what happened up there with the photos I had a bunch of error messages. Here is one more of the plot that had the vegetation. It's starting to fill in. It's has only rained one day here since I planted it and been in the 90s for a week straight. The thatch is holding moisture and the WR remains green. Even some of the peas are 6" high. I think it can only get better.

Debating about frost seeding something into the plot this winter to help with more thatch. The natural stuff worked okay but I was a little disappointed with the amount of thatch. Perhaps the WR will be a different story. I never sprayed either plot and this had a flush of clover fill in when I mowed. I would say so far it has been a positive experience.

 

[35-acre]

My field going through the first year isn't where I would like it to be. I got some WR in but it did t take well after I knocked down buckwheat. I am on a hillside and have little topsoil. I have some alsike clover seed but I think I will put that down in the spring. I did get some brassica into this about a month ago but I forgot to put down 10-10-10 until a week ago.

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[S.T.Fanatic]

Looks better than a second year plot I have!!

 

[Bill]

Looks better than a second year plot I have!!

I thought the same thing. Looks ok to me. I had to stop looking at this thread. It was depressing me when all I could get was 90 degree days with no rain.

Thankfully we've had some rain and rye is pretty bullet proof.

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

I thought the same thing. Looks ok to me. I had to stop looking at this thread. It was depressing me when all I could get was 90 degree days with no rain.

Thankfully we've had some rain and rye is pretty bullet proof.

Right on. We had the same conditions in S.E. MN.. August was cool but hardly any rain. September was HOT with not much more rain than August. We had a nice rain all night long last night. I dont think the total was all that much but every bit of it soaked in. I wish I would have put down an additional 50# cereal on my second year plot before the rain.

 

[hilljec]

Well we put our hat into the Throw n’ Mow ring this weekend with baby steps!

Did a side-by-side comparison on a ½ AC plot and an entire 1 ½ AC plot that is adjacent to the house and doesn’t get hunted.

Stuck with the traditional method on the rest of the fields, but got it all in before the rain. Cereal Rye, Coker Oats, Austrian Peas, Clover Mix (Crimson, Ladino & Arrowleaf) and Daikon Radish, along with the recommended fertilizer from the soil tests were applied.

Can’t wait to see the results.

 

[chucker66]

Here's the latest on my T&M. Front half is brassicas in the 2nd year of this plot. Towards the back you can see oats as I finished clearing this off this year. Never turned this soil ever

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[chucker66]

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Here's a closer view. Sorry they were blurry it was getting dark.

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[S.T.Fanatic]

I checked my TNM brassica plot on Saturday. I have tons of forage with the radish tops just starting to get browsed. The bulbs are without a doubt smaller than they have been in the past. Being this was my first attempt at TNM I'm not sure if this is because of lack of rain this summer or because of zero tillage. I was going for smaller bulbs anyway because I think the deer like them better so maybe it will be a good thing.

What has been everyone elses experience with TNM and bulb size? Mine way planted July 30 give or take one day.

 

[IkemanTx]

I thought for sure my throw n’ mow would be a total failure...
Plot was shoulder high broadleafs and grass sprayed August 30th, thrown and mowed on September 1st. ZERO rain until October 2nd. Just 11 days later there is a ton of rye/oats/wheat coming in. What looks like a good germination on the turnips just starting, and a couple of the peas.
I am absolutely amazed... had this been tilled, spread, then cultipacked.... this plot would have been a total failure.


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[John-W-WI]

Yeah, I need to get a picture of my TNM too. I wasn't happy with the early results because I didn't spray (should have). But now after a couple frosts the buckwheat and weeds are going away and the PTT, Forage Brassica, and Daikon Radish are doing great!

Thanks,

-John

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah, I need to get a picture of my TNM too. I wasn't happy with the early results because I didn't spray (should have). But now after a couple frosts the buckwheat and weeds are going away and the PTT, Forage Brassica, and Daikon Radish are doing great!

Thanks,

-John

So did you not even terminate the BW/weeds before broadcasting the brassicas and just let mother nature terminate with frosts?

 

[John-W-WI]

So did you not even terminate the BW/weeds before broadcasting the brassicas and just let mother nature terminate with frosts?

Yes, that wasn't my plan but that is how it worked out.



When I seeded into the buckwheat, it was so thick that there "wasn't" any weeds. That's what I thought anyway. And I thought all the trips over the field and mowing it that I would have taken care of the buckwheat. Nope.

The buckwheat came back and seeded out a little. The weeds came on fairly strong. The weeds weren't a deal breaker but I often look at them as "I could have done better". In the end it all worked out, but next time I'll spray!

 

[tynimiller]

That is a serious looking BW stand, nice.