Seguins - Dwarf Chinese Chestnuts question - Transfered from QDMA forum

Well, I decided to plant the seguins tonight. It is pretty early to be planting chestnuts, but with all the mold issues, I figure it is better to deal with the consequences of planting early. I cleaned and inspected each nut. I bought a pound. I did give some away to guys, and I did try to germinate a try of them without cold stratification. Several nuts were soft and squished when I squeezed them. All were covered with mold. I ended up with 7 nuts that were showing a tiny root radicle beginning to emerge. I removed the mold from all the nuts. I ended up with a total of 38 nuts. I'll be happy if I can just get a few trees going out of them. There was so much mold, I'm not optimistic. I'll take what I can get.

If I do get any top-growth, I'll post some pictures.

Thanks,

Jack
 
It has only been a week, but no top growth from the Seguins so far.
 
Hopefully some pull through..... My Henryi are all floaters.......
 
Most of my seguins didn't float, but that doesn't mean they will germinate. It is still a bit early, but no signs of life as of today.

Thanks,

Jack
 
They sent me 4... all 4 float... oh well!
 
Well, I'm not too optimistic. It has been 13 days and I see no signs of top growth. Based on my experience with Dunstans, even with only 60 days of cold stratification, I see a number of trees with top growth by this point. If I don't see anything in another week, I'm gonna call it a bust. Very disappointing.
 
Jack,

Appears you have tried all possible means with this seed

Your experience similar to mine ( zero for 40) My henryeii all did same

My first experience with Schumacher seed was not good

bill
 
Jack,

Appears you have tried all possible means with this seed

Your experience similar to mine ( zero for 40) My henryeii all did same

My first experience with Schumacher seed was not good

bill

Yes, I had a long rant over how Schumacher treated this on the old forum. I'm still going to give them another week or so...
 
Looks like you were right. I've seen no top growth so I decided to check them tonight. I gently began to uncover and tug lightly on each nut to see if it was attached to a root radicle. Not a single nut had developed a root radicle. They were all duds!
 
I think we are better off planting some bare root sequins then collecting seed ourselves Jack.
 
wildlife group has em for 5 bucks a pop

intrigued by reported drought tolerance and success in sandy soil which describes my place in Kuwait( I mean east texas)

bill
 
I think we are better off planting some bare root sequins then collecting seed ourselves Jack.

I'm not sure I'd say that yet. I would say we are better off planting some bare root seguins than buying the seed from Schumacher. It came extremely late (out of season), and had bad mold exposure. They got it from some unreliable source in China. Who knows, maybe it was irradiated somewhere along the way and none would have germinated regardless.

wildlife group has em for 5 bucks a pop

intrigued by reported drought tolerance and success in sandy soil which describes my place in Kuwait( I mean east texas)

bill

I think I may order a few from them as a seed source.

Thanks,

Jack
 
I just ordered 4 seguins from the Wildlife Group. They will ship next week. My plan is to plant them in 3 gal RB2s, overwinter them in my cold room, and grow them on my deck next season. I'm hoping they will produce nuts on my deck like the AU Buck trees I ordered from them did. Since these are likely not grafted with mature scions, I may not have as much luck, but they should get root constrained which caused 1st year jujube to fruit on my deck, so maybe I'll get lucky.

Thanks,

Jack
 
I seen where it's not uncommon for one year old trees to produce so id say youve got a shot.
 
Jack,

What growth medium are you using?

What is temp in cold room? I assume its indoors . When will you expose it to light?

bill
 
Jack,

What growth medium are you using?

What is temp in cold room? I assume its indoors . When will you expose it to light?

bill

Bill,

I presume you are talking about the Seguin trees I'm buying from the wildlife group. If so, here is my plan:

1) When I receive them next week (bare root), I'll plant them in 3 gal RB2s. They said they should fit.
2) For medium, I'll use the same mix as for my other seedlings in RB2s. It is 50% Promix (Bx or HP or whatever they have in stock), and 50% bark chunks. Normally I use mini-pine-bark nuggets from lows for the bark chunk portion. Two summers ago, they took down a tree in my neighbors yard and chipped it. I let them dump the pile in my back yard and I've been mixing it with grass and letting it compost. It is still chunky and free so I'll use that for my bark chunks. I fill a 3 gal RB2 with promix and dump it in a tub and then fill it with the bark chunks and dump that in the tub. I then add two capfuls of Osomocote Plus (or straight Osmocote and two tablespoons of Micromax) to the tub and mix them all together.
3) I will overwinter the seedlings in my cold room with my pawpaws. My cold room is a room in my basement closed off from the rest of the basement. It has one small south facing window. I keep that window open. I have a temperature sensor in that room. (Details on the temperature/humidity monitoring I do here: http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/acurite-monitoring-for-indoor-tree-growers.6608/). The temperature in the room varies but stays cool enough that trees don't break dormancy. I don't let it get below freezing. If I get an alert on my phone the temp has gone down to 33 degrees, I close the window.
4) I will keep them there until they have received enough chill hours. I'm not sure what that number is yet but I plan to start researching that. If I find out, I'll bring them into my grow room, warm them up, and put them under lights after they have had sufficient dormancy. After it warms up in the spring, I'll move them to my deck.

Thanks,

Jack
 
I received the 4 seguins I ordered from the Wildlife Group today. What a difference! Yesterday I received 4 mulberry trees from Willis. They weren't bad. Each had 2 or three long large roots with almost no fine roots. These seguins were obviously grown in root pruning containers. I'm guessing 5" roottrapper bags. They had very dense root systems with lots of fine root. They were the perfect size for me to transplant into 3 gal RB2s. They are in my cold room now. I plan to grow them in containers at least for this growing season. We will see if they can produce nuts on my deck like their AU buck trees.

Thanks,

Jack
 
I chatted with Alan after buying these, I told him I planned to wake them up a bit early to get some extra growth. I ask how many chill hours they required to start a new growing season. He did not have an exact number but thought I'd be fine to wake them up in February. In early February, I brought them in from the cold room, gave them a good watering, and put them under lights.

Today, two of them have small leaves, one has good green leaf buds ready to open, but the last one shows no signs of life yet. I'll take a picture when I get a chance.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Here is the picture:

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Thanks,

Jack
 
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CAS_Hunter was gracious enough to send me a few Seguin nuts that were stratified. I planted them immediately. Looks like one is starting top growth:

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I have more leaves on 3 of the 4 Wildlife Group seguins but still no signs of life on the last one.

Thanks,

Jack
 
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