"Redtwig dogwood"?

[Telemark]

A few family members just told me there is a lot of "redtwig dogwood" on our place up in Ontario. Wikipedia says this is the same as red osier dogwood. What do you guys think?

Is it the same stuff? Is there anything else called redtwig dogwood? Can I propagate redtwig from cuttings in May?

 

[John-W-WI]

It's either Redosier Dogwood or Silky Dogwood (they look similar at first glance). If it's growing in a very wet location it's likely Redosier.

It will grow well from cuttings. Harvest them before the plants wake up and plant them when the frost is out. Make sure you get at least (2) bud pairs on each cutting. Keep competition down by using some type of ground cover (fabric, mulch, etc.).

-John

 

[Peplin Creek]

I definitely want to plant some of that stuff. It’s a really solid deer browse. Plus if it gets to big, chainsaw it back, start over.

 

[Telemark]

Is silky dogwood of any use to deer?

The place that was described to me is not particularly wet, but the whole region is rather wet most of the year.

 

[Peplin Creek]

I am sure in early stages deer will browse on it. It seems pretty similar to red osier

 

[ruskbucks]

Is silky dogwood of any use to deer?

The place that was described to me is not particularly wet, but the whole region is rather wet most of the year.

Yes, I have it at my place at home in a low deer population area and the deer browse it pretty good. My friend has a lot of red osier on the public land, it is amazing how the deer pound it every winter. You have to look hard for some that is not browsed. I would think the silky would get hit hard to if it was growing there too.

 

[Apple Junkie]

I call it both names... red twig dogwood and red osier, hopefully it's the same plant. It sprouts pretty easily if you just stick it in wet ground in the spring. I does have to be in an area that stays pretty wet most, but not all, of the time. One other thing to remember is to cut the twig on a 45 degree angle to maximize the surface area of the cut wood. Good luck.

 

[Telemark]

Thank you, guys. I think I will order som red osier from Coldwater and supplement my planting with local cuttings.

 

[yoderjac]

Thank you, guys. I think I will order som red osier from Coldwater and supplement my planting with local cuttings.

Several years back when I ordered some Rootmaker containers from John (BigRockTrees), he included some free yellow twig dogwood cuttings. I believe these are a color variation of ROD. I was able to root them. I planted them around the house in the burbs for my wife as a landscaping plant. They look great. I soon had to fence them until they were well established because of deer browsing. They still browse them heavily but now that they are well established they can't seem to kill them. They just keep bouncing back.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[John-W-WI]

he included some free yellow twig dogwood cuttings

Yellow twig are one of my favorites, just because the color is so interesting.

I just wish dogwoods were faster to establish. Maybe I'm just spoiled from the growth habit of hybrids and willows.

IMHO dogwoods take 2 - 3 years to really get going. But once they take off, they really go.

-John

 

[yoderjac]

Yellow twig are one of my favorites, just because the color is so interesting.

I just wish dogwoods were faster to establish. Maybe I'm just spoiled from the growth habit of hybrids and willows.

IMHO dogwoods take 2 - 3 years to really get going. But once they take off, they really go.

-John

That sounds about right to me. I started them indoors in the rootmakers and then transplanted them in to the yard in the spring. They were fine until things dried up in the summer. That is when I noticed heavy browsing. I was concerned deer would kill them so I put a small fence of nylon netting. I figured deer could eat what grew through without killing the plants. I left the fence up the second growing season out of an abundance of caution but I think they would have been OK. By year 3, I pulled down the fence and there is no existential threat any longer. Without the early start indoors under lights, I may have needed the fence in the third season. That may also be true if one just planted the cuttings directly. They really took to the root pruning system.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[KDdid]

It's either Redosier Dogwood or Silky Dogwood (they look similar at first glance). If it's growing in a very wet location it's likely Redosier.

It will grow well from cuttings. Harvest them before the plants wake up and plant them when the frost is out. Make sure you get at least (2) bud pairs on each cutting. Keep competition down by using some type of ground cover (fabric, mulch, etc.).

-John

How are you storing the cuttings between gathering and harvesting? Is it important to prevent them from freezing? Last year I planted several by cutting whips and shoving them into the ground near the mother plant. All of these woke up, but only about half survived the summer, probably due to the relatively dry location. Also, I have lots of native willow growing around the farm, and wonder what size of twig/branch I should cut for transplants. Thanks.



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[Peplin Creek]

Does anyone know if dogwood handles partial sun or does it need full sun?

 

[John-W-WI]

How are you storing the cuttings between gathering and harvesting? Is it important to prevent them from freezing? Last year I planted several by cutting whips and shoving them into the ground near the mother plant. All of these woke up, but only about half survived the summer, probably due to the relatively dry location. Also, I have lots of native willow growing around the farm, and wonder what size of twig/branch I should cut for transplants. Thanks.

Put them in a plastic bag and throw them in the fridge. They will last several weeks easily. Probably much longer. Freezing them in storage is ok, but not as cold as your freezer gets. Nothing below 20 degrees is best. Your freezer is probably more like -5 degrees.

More detailed info can be found here:
http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/harvest-your-own-cuttings.4986/

With native willows you can really use any part of the plant you like. You can even plant them as cuttings from a live growing tree (one that has already woke up for the season). Just get as much as you can in the ground.

Thanks,

-John

 

[Mortenson]

Does anyone know if dogwood handles partial sun or does it need full sun?

Of the dogwoods I planted, my notes say Gray dogwood is shade tolerant. Roughleaf dogwood can tolerate some shade. It's heavily browsed. Flowering dogwood does better on higher ground and can tolerate shade. It's more tree-like. Can get 40' tall and is in fact the MO state tree. All three of those are supposed to be juglone tolerant. I think I shied away from ROD because of extreme browsing. Silky dogwood prefers full sun.

 

[KDdid]

My red osier dogwood grows in a variety of soil types, shade from full sun to full shade, and wet to moderately dry areas. I’m planning to use it as the backbone of my shrub plantings.


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