Rage Survivor

[tynimiller]

Thanks for the reply. Hope that I am correct, I think that Slick Tricks are, were in on the trend of of short broadheads.

My preference is for a longer, narrow single bevel head.

My Grizzly heads are 2 3/4" L x 1 1/8" W. I will be checking since I have not lately, but I see that Tuffhead makes a true 3 to 1 head, 3 3/16L X 1 1/16W in 225 and 300 grain weights. I see that http://vintagearcheryco.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=18 has field tips in those weights. I will have to do some measuring to check how they fit arrows so that I don't pull tips when pulling from targets.

I am with you, can't have too much penetration. Laughing now about ignoring speed. I shoot 150 fps.

Geez, just what I needed, playing with more braodheads.

The slicks are not single bevels...I merely was stating what I use currently which is driven more by my lack of willingness to spend the serious cash the AB single bevels are.

 

[yoderjac]

I don't like 2 blade expandable broadheads. It is possible to through the vitals, miss contracted lungs and not cut sufficient arteries when you are only working in one dimension. I've used a variety of 3 bladed expandables. I switched to rage 3 blade a few years back. I have not had any issues with them yet. They have opened reliably for me so far. However, the last time I went to the sporting goods store, I found lots of 2 blade rage broadheads but none of the 3 bladed version I was using. I'm guessing they stopped making them for some reason.

Thanks,

Jack

I guess I should caveat this with the fact that I shoot a compound (Mathews Switchback) with plenty of KE for expandables. I don't know of any guys around here using traditional equipment or even compounds with low draw weight and length that use expandables of any kind.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[DLH]

I bought some steelforce single bevels this year to use but haven't got to use them I shot my compound and it acts like my spine is too stiff. I got the 225 grain and using the carbon express piledriver out of a 60lb pse omen. What spine are you guys using it's hard to find information on these heavy head heavy arrow combinations. What about inserts any tricks without buying some? I want to try and get more weight up front to see if it's is too stiff of a spine I'm also using 32in arrows. I think a place called red feather archery sells a single bevel too.

 

[Tree Spud]

I know of 3 nice 8-9 points, 2 of which I have passed on, that cross bow dudes failed to score on within a 1/2 mile of me in the past 6 days.

One was at 21 yards and the bolt had am expandable mechanical blade that he put in the upper shoulder. Bolt & blade failed to penetrate & fell out. The other 2 the bolt went in high again at 20-25 yards and the deer walked away and the hunters stopped pursuing after 50-75 yards.

This has nothing to do with the weapon or broadhead choice... everything to do with people who are being given an opportunity to bow hunt, who could not pass a skills/weapons proficiency test to get a license if required to do so.

 

[yoderjac]

I know of 3 nice 8-9 points, 2 of which I have passed on, that cross bow dudes failed to score on within a 1/2 mile of me in the past 6 days.

One was at 21 yards and the bolt had am expandable mechanical blade that he put in the upper shoulder. Bolt & blade failed to penetrate & fell out. The other 2 the bolt went in high again at 20-25 yards and the deer walked away and the hunters stopped pursuing after 50-75 yards.

This has nothing to do with the weapon or broadhead choice... everything to do with people who are being given an opportunity to bow hunt, who could not pass a skills/weapons proficiency test to get a license if required to do so.

Those are tough things to see happen.

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

One of the two hunting shows that I still follow I noticed the guys are making a lot of bad shots. Shot placement is key no mater what broadhead or weapon you are using. Like mentioned on another thread about muzzleloader slugs. A double lung, heart, or liver shot will always be lethal no mater what kind of penetration or blood trail the projectile leaves.

 

[Natty Bumppo]

One of the two hunting shows that I still follow I noticed the guys are making a lot of bad shots. Shot placement is key no mater what broadhead or weapon you are using. Like mentioned on another thread about muzzleloader slugs. A double lung, heart, or liver shot will always be lethal no mater what kind of penetration or blood trail the projectile leaves.

I agree. These guys are concerned about getting the shot on film...fidgeting with the camera and the Go-Pros...checking the view-finder to see if the deer is in frame...asking the camera man if the deer is in frame. Lack of focus. Lack of attention. Lack of form and follow through. Distracted. They're probably thinking about all the cool things they are going to say on camera before they even send the arrow.

 

[Bowman]

I bought some steelforce single bevels this year to use but haven't got to use them I shot my compound and it acts like my spine is too stiff. I got the 225 grain and using the carbon express piledriver out of a 60lb pse omen. What spine are you guys using it's hard to find information on these heavy head heavy arrow combinations. What about inserts any tricks without buying some? I want to try and get more weight up front to see if it's is too stiff of a spine I'm also using 32in arrows. I think a place called red feather archery sells a single bevel too.

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  You did not state what spine arrow you are shooting. This is what I found. The 450 arrow has the stiffest spine, .300.
  
• Nock Collar – Carbon Express proprietary BullDog™ Nock Collar comes standard on all PileDriver arrows and shafts to protect the shaft against nock-end impacts.
  Nock Collars weigh 4 grains.
• Sizes: 250 (10.4gpi & .400 spine), 350 (11.3gpi & .350 spine), 450 (13.1gpi & .300 spine)

Source of chart: http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon-arrow-spine-charts-sizing-deflection-research.html

From the above link, using “only” a 125 grain head, 60# and a 32” arrow, you need the stiffest spine shaft that Carbon Express makes. Shooting a 225 grain head out of your setup, I can not believe that your arrows are too stiff, and that is if you are even shooting the stiffest spine available.

I have done a lot of testing shooting using internal weights. This is important, adding weight to the front weakens the dynamic spine, adding weight to the nock end of the arrow stiffens the dynamic spine. Adding weight to the back lowers your front of center, the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish, if I read that right.

In my experience, adding weight to the back end made that arrow more “unstable” by reducing front of center. I have used a threaded rod and weights inside of the arrow. I do not fly any arrows weighted in the rear. So I would not use the collars.

I have shot many combinations ranging from 800 to 1005 grains with a 125 grain tip or head out of 70# longbows. Adding the weights inside “shortened” the actual working length of the arrow, because the weights fit flush and snug, raising the dynamic spine of these arrows. The front inches of the arrow can not flex. So in reality, the working part of the arrow is shortened and entire weight system and tip of head is really the head.

All of this testing began with bare shaft tuning.

Even 3 Rivers Archery, a traditonal site, only goes to 200 grains.

The only other way for you to stiffen your dynamic spine would be to shorten your arrow. I do not know your draw length and how much arrow you have to play with.

So this spring, I will begin some new testing with, heavier heads and see what happens.

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[H20fwler]

I switched from Rage to Slick Trick Mags 4-5 years ago and have never looked back.