Planting Trees. Secrets?

FarmerDan

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I confess. Other than around the house I have never planted a tree for habitat improvement. Its looks too hard! By that I mean the effort and investment required to assure some level of success at some uncertain time down the road leaves me shaking my head left and right, not up and down. Now, I do have plenty of trees to manage. Those are the ones God put there and even he didn't do such a good job in places (God can laugh, too)!

Since we're just waiting for winter to end, let me ask - if you have planted trees how successful have you been? Did you get the results you expected? And what essential points about your successes or failures would you make to someone like me who's about to re-consider tree planting as a mis-adventure?

How are fruit trees different from pines/evergreens different from hardwoods? Tips and tricks please?
 
I'm no expert at planting trees but I agree it's hard work and can be very frustrating. I've used shovels, dibble bars, large drill bits and even dug trenches with a sub-soiler. All told I've probably planted over 30,000 trees and cuttings.

Excluding fruit, nuts or evergreen trees I'll never pick up a shovel again. Working construction through college we dubbed certain things as "cruel tools". Sledge hammers, rakes, shovels fall into this group.

If you're considering a large planting my best advise is cuttings protected with plastic weed barrier and tubes or fencing.

Don't have adequate time now but I'll expand on cuttings later when I can do it justice.
 
I have learned to get less trees and plant them right rather than get to many and rush to plant them. Also get trees from a nursery around your area. Look at the trees growing on your land now, they will most likely be the best to keep planting. I would try plugs plugs if I had to plant a lot of trees again.
 
I would like to know everything there is to know about planting from cuttings. I'm about to start some apple trees on my place with that method.
 
Knock on wood...I've been pretty lucky with my tree plantings. That being said I expect some tree loss planting conifers by getting browsed and rubbed.
With most trees I sure prefer fall planting, fruit trees buy DR and always wrap and cage. I also like to try and buy trees from northern nurseries due to my location.
 
If you live in an area with dry spells, try adding some "water-sorb" granules to the backfill soil to retain moisture once you water them in. Any rain will also be absorbed by the water-sorb, giving your new trees a better shot at survival. I've done that with our spruce seedlings and it seems to have upped the survival rate.
 
I confess. Other than around the house I have never planted a tree for habitat improvement. Its looks too hard! By that I mean the effort and investment required to assure some level of success at some uncertain time down the road leaves me shaking my head left and right, not up and down. Now, I do have plenty of trees to manage. Those are the ones God put there and even he didn't do such a good job in places (God can laugh, too)!

Since we're just waiting for winter to end, let me ask - if you have planted trees how successful have you been? Did you get the results you expected? And what essential points about your successes or failures would you make to someone like me who's about to re-consider tree planting as a mis-adventure?

How are fruit trees different from pines/evergreens different from hardwoods? Tips and tricks please?

Dan,

I've made a lot of mistakes planting tees over the years. I think the type of tree and you soil influence how to plant. Years ago, I decided to experiment with some Jujube trees. I bought them bare root and dug deep wide holes in my heavy clay soil and amended them with a lot of peat, manure, and other organic material. I even made a slurry of watersorb and dunked the roots. I ran a soaker hose around the tree on top of the ground and tied the end to the fencing I used to protect them and covered the hose with wood chips. I filled my 55 gal sprayer with water and pumped water into those soaker hoses when it was dry. Eventually I bought some of those green bags you fill with water that oozes out a valve over time and put them around the trees.

These trees grew great for quite a few years. I did have a wind gust get gly on one. It didn't kill it, but it stunted it. The rest were doing very well. Then one year when they were 15' tall and had trunks as large as my forearm, one blew over in a wind storm. When I did my post mortem, I found several things. First, those deep wide holes backfilled with organic material provided the trees everything they needed so they never penetrated the native clay. Jujube are not sensitive to water. They can handle wet feet and do fine in drought. So basically, I was growing these trees in a pot created by the clay. Second, all that organic mulch was an attractive area for critters to next. Not sure if they were voles or what, but something had tunneled through the mulch and backfill to munch on the roots. Bottom line is that the tree was not anchored into the clay.

I stood the tree back up and used my FEL to dump loads of native clay on top of the mulch compressing it after removing the soaker hoses and such (I hadn't used them for years). I then staked the tree. I did the same, minus the staking, to the other jujubes that had been planted like that. The native clay compressed all the mulch and organic backfill hopefully providing more anchoring until the roots penetrate the clay.

Most of my trees since then have been planted from rootmakers. This is a miniature version of the same issue I created with the jujube because the medium used in RMs is very well drained. If you remove it before planting, you lose one of the big advantages of RMs, the root ball is fully intact and undisturbed at planting time which means you don't have the sleep/creep/leap effect we see on bare root trees. Chestnuts really don't like bare feet. There are several keys to planting them in our heavy clay. First, I select a site where ground water does not naturally drain into the hole. I use a tractor auger to very close to the diameter of the container and did a deep hole. I use a hand rake to make sure the auger did not glaze the clay on the sides of the hole. I then back fill the hole with quarry stone. I add a little native clay on top of that and then set in the root ball. I want the top of the medium about an inch above the ground level. I then use native clay to form a lip to further prevent ground water from running into the hole. I cover it with landscaping cloth (air and water permeable) and use quarry stone to mulch.

The theory here is that any ponding I'm creating in the clay is occurring in the quarry stone below the root ball. By the time summer dry time comes in our area, because the hole is so close in diameter to rootball, the lateral roots have penetrated the clay that holds moisture. The quarry stone below the root ball provides no real nutrition or anything for the long term. However, rootmaker trees don't have a tap root that extending down. Most of the nutrition and moisture is located in the top foot to two where the lateral roots extend. As the tree and root ball grows, outside that small diameter where the stone is, there is plenty of room for downward root growth.

I'm not sure if the quarry stone below the root ball is needed for other kinds of trees like apples or persimmons that don't have a wet feet issue. I've been doing this just to be on the cautious side, but it may not be needed for them.

One other lesson I learn, specific to root pruned trees, is that the larger the root ball, the better. I've tried using a dibble and rotating it which digs out enough for an 18. The rootball is so small with an 18 that survival rates are low and those trees that survive don't seem to thrive. When planting from 1 gal containers that have been filled by roots, success rates go up and many more trees thrive. For me, the best success has been planting from 3 gal RB2s.

The only other thing I'd add is that protection really depends on your conditions. Some trees I plant are completely ignored by deer. Others are hammered. Some years are worse than others. Trees planted in open fields with clover or other food get more deer attention than trees planted in the woods. It has taken me a while to figure out when I can get away with no protection, when I need tubes, and when I need cages.

Thanks,

Jack
 
I have had very good success with fruit trees using the methods others have suggested, tree tubes, cages, root granules, weed barrier. I have also had very poor results buying young trees from the conservation department and just planting them in the ground. I even hired a fellow who plants trees to come out with a machine and plant rows of spruce that all died 4 months later when drought hit and the soil cracked open to dry out the roots. Cedar are another story, seems like every small cedar I have ever dug up and transplanted has lived.
 
I planted 11K red and 3K white pines in 3 different plantings over 10 years. I bought all trees locally from nurseries within 20 miles of my land. I bought the largest and oldest trees that could be transplanted with a machine. 2 year seedlings, 2 years transplants. So my trees were 4 years old and about 12 to 14 inches tall when planted. They cost a fair amount per thousand. I planted as early in the season as I could. One planting had 4 inches of snow on it a few days after they were in the ground. Great cheap way of watering the root stock. Lastly, I planted all at 6'x6' spacings. This allowed me to mow between the rows for the first few years with my 60 inch brush hog until the trees got too big. I had great survival rates of 95% or better in all my plantings. I did nothing to prep the sites. My land in Central Wisconsin is ideally suited for pine trees as this part of the state is referred to as the "Central Sands".
A friend got free or very cheap trees from the state of WI to plant. They were the smallest trees I had ever seen. He planted the same year as one of my plantings and his trees did not do nearly as well as mine.
 
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Back to cuttings. My first tree planting was bare root stuff from MDC nursery. I sprayed off a 2 acre field and planted several hundred bushes. Dogwoods mostly The bare root trees were tubed. That same year I discovered cuttings and sprayed off another field of about 4 acres. Poked about 6500 cuttings in. Mostly poplar, dogwood, ninebark, Buttonbush with no tubes. Both were failures. The gly killed the grass but everything was swallowed in Biden and other broadleaf weeds. There are some survivors but no where close to even 20% of what we planted.

As far as info on planting cuttings it's pretty straight forward. John has a write up here http://habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/harvest-your-own-cuttings.4986/


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That year I invented my first cutting planting tool. I soon learned about poking a hole in the ground with a bar first.
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My next attempt was to use plastic and lumite as a weed barrier. I'm always (well used to be) go big or go home, so I bought a plastic mulch layer like the vegetable farmers use. Pretty slick piece of equipment it lays plastic or lumite.
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As you can see the weed barrier made all the difference in the world. I wouldn't plant a cutting without it.
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Plastic will get holes poked into it when the deer step on it. But I now prefer it over lumite. Only because as the tree grows the plastic stretches. Lumite MUST be cut or it will girdle the tree.IMG00523-20110604-2042.jpg

This method worked much better and the survival rate went up. The problem with tubes is anything that pokes out gets eaten and it still takes a while to have real growth.

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My most successful cutting planting is in this 3.5 acre patch. We laid lumite the fall before planting. This area was fenced with Galleger style Electric fence and no tubes were used.
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Today its the low bursh on the right of this pic.
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I won't plant a tree with a shovel. To much work. Spread some plastic or lumite staple it down and poke cuttings in and protect them. We have heavy clay in the soil so a shovel weighs 500lbs and you have to beat the dirt off it. Unless its dry, then you need a jackhammer to even break the surface.
 
Bill- this plastic mulch installer, care to share more info? Sounds intriguing and not just for making a bad ass slip-n-slide.

What are those mesh tree tubes? I've never seen those before. I buy a ton of tubes and those could be beneficial for certain trees I'm sure
 
Bill- this plastic mulch installer, care to share more info? Sounds intriguing and not just for making a bad ass slip-n-slide.

What are those mesh tree tubes? I've never seen those before. I buy a ton of tubes and those could be beneficial for certain trees I'm sure

The mulch layer idea came from southern NJ. All the vegetable farmers around here gave up planting and using Harrowing the weeds between the rows. The layer has a single disk up front on each side that opens a trench. A press wheel pushes the plastic off a roll into the trench. Then a rear disk flips soil back over the trench and plastic.

Not my video but here is how it works. Disking the ground first is a must. The soil has to be loose.

The tubes are mesh tubes. Allow air flow and sunlight. The problem is anything that pokes out gets eaten. But it protects the main leader. Never tried them on pines but it might help.

Side note. I've gotten pics of bucks with my tubes stuck in their antlers :)

Tubes https://www.benmeadows.com/rigid-seedling-protector-tubes_36811405/?searchterm=tree+tubes
 
I have learned over the past 16 years of planting apples that I would have been better off doing almost anything else. I'm at a very cold, snowy, swampy 2,000 ft. plateau and they just grow super slow, if at all. But that's not the real problem. Where and when I have been successful with good vigorous apple trees I then almost invariably suffer black bear and moose damage. The bears rip and destroy, delimb, climb and bend, and just wreak all kinds of havoc. Just as my apples are out of reach of browsing deer, moose come along and just completely denude and debranch my apples.

Farmer Dan, I don't think you have moose in VA, but if you're in black bear country, you must be prepared for, IMHO, a lifetime of aggravation from black bear damage. I no longer plant apples. I focus on the the 50 or so big, beautiful old wild apples on my land and the 50 or so remaining apples I've planted that have yet to be destroyed by bears.
 
Pay attention to those on this forum that plant things in your general area and hopefully on your type of soil. Plant for diversity or for an exact reason such as screening or bedding. Lots of things discussed on these forums might not work in your climate.

I can grow conifers, and apples, especially crabs, with additional care. Hardwoods other than hybrid poplar are nearly a complete waste of time.

I need to plant in the spring in most cases and think about August droughts.


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Fruit trees such as apple and pears are generally planted in small quantities and you generally pay a significant amount per tree. The chance of them surviving without protection is 0% in most locations. They will get eaten, and if one happened not to get eaten, it will be killed later on by antler rubbing. So, for these trees cage protection is an absolute must. You also need to protect at the groundline with screen wire for rabbits and voles or will end up with significant damage. Although not absolutely necessary, a ground mat to keep weed competition at bay is good insurance and advisable.

With huge mass plantings of climax type trees, it isn't reasonable to protect every tree. So, you plant them knowing that a certain percentage will not make it. You take your chances and hope for the best. Some of those will also get eaten and rubbed. What you can do is mow the rows to knock out volunteer competition and also do some hand work with a chainsaw within the rows. But, you don't want to keep it too clean. I have found that deer don't like to stick their head in briers. Briers are good tree protection, but you can't let them get over the top of a young tree or they will tangle it and kill it. A mass planting of white pines at my location without some protection from briers would likely end up a disaster. Oaks would have some damage too, but would have a much higher success rate.

I planted over 6,000 trees a few years ago. We went back for many years replacing ones that didn't make it, and I still add just a few trees each year. Fruit trees, even in a wildlife planting require some maintenance. Getting the toughest, DR cultivars helps, but you still have many tasks. You have to keep the volunteer climax trees from coming on and shading them out, and there are other tasks such as pruning, cage work, etc. that needs to be done from time to time. Choosing the wrong trees for the job or planting in areas not suited for what you are planting will grow nothing but future heartache.

Locations are different. You heard someone else in another thread talk about how bad pears were for them. For me, no other fruit tree does as well as pears. They are the backbone of my soft mass, and apples are secondary. I have huge pear crops almost every year and don't spray at all.....and the fruit looks supermarket quality. I love my apples, but I can't say that about them. But honestly, for the long term there is probably no better fruit tree for deer at my location than persimmon.... It is tough, grows tall and can really fend for itself with only a little help from me.
 
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These guys are absolutely correct about planting what works in YOUR area. Things guys plant in warmer states won't work for us northern guys and vice-versa, to some degree. That's why we post our locations on our profiles to the left of the thread posts, or guys will say where they are from. Each state's forestry dept. or ag. dept. can give huge amounts of info for those individual areas. I e-mail the foresters up near my camp to get info on what works best in that region and they'll gladly come out to walk our property with us. Costs nothing. Maybe try those routes.
 
Fruit trees such as apple and pears are generally planted in small quantities and you generally pay a significant amount per tree. The chance of them surviving without protection is 0% in most locations. They will get eaten, and if one happened not to get eaten, it will be killed later on by antler rubbing. So, for these trees cage protection is an absolute must. You also need to protect at the groundline with screen wire for rabbits and voles or will end up with significant damage. Although not absolutely necessary, a ground mat to keep weed competition at bay is good insurance and advisable.

With huge mass plantings of climax type trees, it isn't reasonable to protect every tree. So, you plant them knowing that a certain percentage will not make it. You take your chances and hope for the best. Some of those will also get eaten and rubbed. What you can do is mow the rows to knock out volunteer competition and also do some hand work with a chainsaw within the rows. But, you don't want to keep it too clean. I have found that deer don't like to stick their head in briers. Briers are good tree protection, but you can't let them get over the top of a young tree or they will tangle it and kill it. A mass planting of white pines at my location without some protection from briers would likely end up a disaster. Oaks would have some damage too, but would have a much higher success rate.

I planted over 6,000 trees a few years ago. We went back for many years replacing ones that didn't make it, and I still add just a few trees each year. Fruit trees, even in a wildlife planting require some maintenance. Getting the toughest, DR cultivars helps, but you still have many tasks. You have to keep the volunteer climax trees from coming on and shading them out, and there are other tasks such as pruning, cage work, etc. that needs to be done from time to time. Choosing the wrong trees for the job or planting in areas not suited for what you are planting will grow nothing but future heartache.

Locations are different. You heard someone else in another thread talk about how bad pears were for them. For me, no other fruit tree does as well as pears. They are the backbone of my soft mass, and apples are secondary. I have huge pear crops almost every year and don't spray at all.....and the fruit looks supermarket quality. I love my apples, but I can't say that about them. But honestly, for the long term there is probably no better fruit tree for deer at my location than persimmon.... It is tough, grows tall and can really fend for itself with only a little help from me.

I wish I could grow pears. Clients from 60-70 miles south of me have given me some that taste great but they just don’t seem to do well where I am a bit colder. Some of the Alaskan/Russian varieties might be worth a try. However I know I can grow crabs and some apples.




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So no apple trees from cuttings?
 
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