Help me pick my trees!

[Mortenson]

I first started with Kieffers from Rural King a few years ago, before I learned about all these better trees. Those first Kieffers are growing really well, even though they're on some unknown semi-dwarf rootstock.

 

[H20fwler]

What would be a good pollinator to pair with my Kieffer trees? I guess they're self pollinating but pollinators trees make a big difference.

Moonglow

Also looking for a source for kieffer pears. It seems like most of the bigger nurseries don't carry them for some reason.

Wildlife Group carries both varieties;

http://www.wildlifegroup.com/shop-for-pear-trees/

Along with some other outstanding late season pear trees you might want to think about for next spring.

 

[H20fwler]

I first started with Kieffers from Rural King a few years ago, before I learned about all these better trees. Those first Kieffers are growing really well, even though they're on some unknown semi-dwarf rootstock.

Did the same as you... I've got a couple pear trees from TSC that were some of the first I started with tag said standard on mine, they have done very well so far nock on wood.

 

[Apple Junkie]

Hey NY Hunter... I keep an eye what trees Cummins Nursery has available because it changes all the time. I happen to notice today that they have some Honeycrisp on MM.111 available. If you have not found them eleswhere, this would be a good opportunity to get one for planting this spring. Good luck, have fun with this.

https://shop.cumminsnursery.com/shop/apple-trees

 

[NY Hunter]

Thanks for the link to the pears H20fwler! I think I have a source for everything else now.

I'm looking forward to getting these trees in the ground this spring. In the meantime I'm having fun hinge cutting around the area. Trying to help encourage the deer to visit during the daytime.

 

[Telemark]

I dig this guy's enthusiasm.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

And he's just getting started !! This becomes an addiction ............... as many of us have found.

 

[Telemark]

Yeah I'm already hooked. I will buy a notebook and keep a journal on my experiences. I never knew apples could be so interesting.

 

[yoderjac]

Yeah I'm already hooked. I will buy a notebook and keep a journal on my experiences. I never knew apples could be so interesting.

Just wait until you get into the "ploids"...diploid, triploid, etc. While with many trees good information can be hard to find, with apples, I find more good information out there than I can digest!

 

[Telemark]

Just wait until you get into the "ploids"...diploid, triploid, etc. While with many trees good information can be hard to find, with apples, I find more good information out there than I can digest!

I read about that. I think I am receiving a triploid scion, so I plan to put good pollinators around it. I have it written down in my notes somewhere in the pile.

What I really need is a spreadsheet. I am surprised there isn't a good one out there. Every time I find a site with great info on each variety, they leave out something important like disease resistance or harvest time or hold/drop characteristics. Although it might be buried somewhere in the tree info Buckvelvet transferred over here.

 

[CedarSwamp]

You have a good list so I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. There is no such thing as the best deer apple....but IF I could only pick just one I think it would be Kerr. Ripens early enough for bow season and drops into the beginning of winter. I never found Kerr on B118 or M111, but found it in M7 and Antonovka. Saint Lawrence Nursery has it on Antonovka. I believe Turkey Creek Trees will have Kerr on B118 at times and if you check with them in advance they’ll often get what you need.

If you add any early season trees consider Zestar and Whitney Crabapple.

Good luck! Planning is half the fun!

 

[NY Hunter]

I plan on getting Kerr, all winter hangover and winter wildlife next season, SLN is out of stock on those unfortunately. I was able to get the rest of my apple trees ordered though!

Next up is ordering the oak trees. I planned on ordering a bunch of sawtooths through my local conservation program but now I'm not so sure. The trees themselves are good for up to zone 4 but I'm yet to hear of anybody actually producing acorns in that cold of climate. Anybody have experience with sawtooths in zones 4 or 5?



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[Telemark]

I too am curious about sawtooths. I want to try them, but no one near me offers them cheap.

 

[NY Hunter]

Check with your local conservation program if you have one. The ones I'm looking at are only bare root plants but you can get 50 trees for $42. That's a lot of acorns!

The other options they have are pin, red, swamp white and white oaks. I'm not sure which way to go.

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[Telemark]

They don't have any. Only red, white, bur, swamp white, and pin.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

I have a pin oak in my front yard. I planted it when it was 1" caliper and about 7 ft. tall. It took about 10 years to make any acorns ..... and a pin oak is usually the fastest variety to produce acorns ( not counting sawtooth - no experience with them ). In general oaks grow slowly & take YEARS to produce acorns. They must be caged or deer will eat 'em to the ground. Seedlings or whips - plan on 30 years for acorns. FWIW.

 

[yoderjac]

I have a pin oak in my front yard. I planted it when it was 1" caliper and about 7 ft. tall. It took about 10 years to make any acorns ..... and a pin oak is usually the fastest variety to produce acorns ( not counting sawtooth - no experience with them ). In general oaks grow slowly & take YEARS to produce acorns. They must be caged or deer will eat 'em to the ground. Seedlings or whips - plan on 30 years for acorns. FWIW.

DCOs are an exception to the 30 years as well.

 

[Telemark]

Most of thi chinkapins and white oaks don't seem to like my area based on what the internet says. Bur oaks are reported to be more tolerant of northern climates, so I am going to try those near my red oak groves.

Anyone had success with chinkapins.or white oaks in zone 4?

 

[NY Hunter]

Most of thi chinkapins and white oaks don't seem to like my area based on what the internet says. Bur oaks are reported to be more tolerant of northern climates, so I am going to try those near my red oak groves.

Anyone had success with chinkapins.or white oaks in zone 4?

I'm tempted to try the dwarf chinkapins for screening around my orchard. NY state actually has a nursery program and they had bareroots for sale this year but ran out. The nursery I spoke to said they'll produce acorns down to zone 4 and possibly even colder. I'm technically in 5 but if anybody could back those claims up I'd be more confident in trying it.

Even if they don't produce I don't have to wait very long to see what they do. Most literature say 3-4 years for acorns on the DCO.

 

[Telemark]

I fell in love with the DCO as soon as I read about them, but i can't find them for a good price, and I don't want to throw away time and money on trees.

Maybe some northern nurseries are breeding cold hardiness into a strain or two. I am right on the border of 4a and 5b, which makes me nervous.