Clover/Rye to Soybeans

cornfedkiller

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I have a 1 acre plot that currently has clover in it, and then rye was broadcasted into it this fall. I want to get rid of the clover next year and plant soybeans there instead. Whats the best way to get rid of the clover and plant the soybeans?

In another plot, I have rye in there and was planning on no-tilling into the rye and then rolling/crimping it.

Can I do that same thing with the clover/rye, but just hit the plot with a shot of 2,4D early on and kill off the clover and let the rye go, then no-till into it? Or should I hit it with 2,4D and Roundup and disk over it and start over?
 
I plan to just plant my soybean/pea mix into my annual clovers and let it go. No spraying. I haven’t done this before, but I believe it will work.


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Can I do that same thing with the clover/rye, but just hit the plot with a shot of 2,4D early on and kill off the clover and let the rye go, then no-till into it?

That should work as long as the rye isn't to tall and thick to get the 2,4D onto the clover. After no tilling I have very little rolling to do in tall rye. The drill kinda rolls it as you go. Sure makes it easy to see where you've planted.
 
Have you considered a Roundup ready variety of soy beans? You can get RR ag beans or Eagle forage beans. Then you can terminate the previous crop with glyphosate and use it to keep the soy beans weed free during their growth. I spray my RR ag and Eagle beans twice a season. Once just after they are planted to suppress any weeds that might compete with them while they germinate and once just before they go into canopy to get any last weeds out of the field. Your beans will get all the nutrients of the soil and use all the rain that falls on them with no weeds to compete for either.
My farmer friend gave me the best advice about food plots years ago when he told me that you can NOT grow two things at the same time in the same field successfully. He meant get rid of the weeds and the planted seeds will grow to their maximum potential. I have gone with RR ready food plots when ever possible with great results.
 
I prefer the no-till approach if you have a no-till drill or planter. It preserves your OM and soil health. You can use a crimper on the WR or simply spray it with gly presuming you are planting RR beans. You can still use gly at planting time even if you don't use RR beans, but RR beans give you the gly option for control of other weeds.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Bringing this question back up because I've started thinking about this again...

If I get out in the spring early and hit the clover with 2,4D, there isn't going to be too much substance on the ground to prevent the soybeans from growing will there?

If I can, Id prefer to kill the clover but let the rye go and then just no-till into the rye.
 
Bringing this question back up because I've started thinking about this again...

If I get out in the spring early and hit the clover with 2,4D, there isn't going to be too much substance on the ground to prevent the soybeans from growing will there?

If I can, Id prefer to kill the clover but let the rye go and then just no-till into the rye.

The soil residual effect of 24d depends on the formulation. The label had directions that include how long to wait and how to plant soybeans after using 24d.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Personally, as stated before I would just burn down with gly and use RR beans to maintain control. You'll be fighting weeds using selective herbicides.
 
Personally, as stated before I would just burn down with gly and use RR beans to maintain control. You'll be fighting weeds using selective herbicides.
It really depends on the weeds. Gly does not cover all weeds. For example, I'm having an issue with Marestail after a thinning operation in our pines. What first popped up in the thinned pines soon invaded our fields. Marestail laughs at glyphosate. If you get it young, 24D can be effective at control but marestail can germinate spring and fall. 24D also has soil residual that delays the planting of soybeans.

This coming year, we are considering taking a year off soybeans to get a handle on Marestail. My current plan is to spray 24D at green up and then wait until mid-June to spray gly and plant buckwheat. I'm hoping that what Marestail the 24D does not kill is smothered by the buckwheat. I then plan to spray 24D again in the fall to catch any not smothered by the buckwheat. I'll follow that with a surface broadcast cover crop.

So basically, I'm replacing soybeans with buckwheat because of the wide planting window buckwheat has as well as it's smother quality.

Different situations call for different approaches.

Thanks,

Jack
 
It really depends on the weeds. Gly does not cover all weeds. For example, I'm having an issue with Marestail after a thinning operation in our pines. What first popped up in the thinned pines soon invaded our fields. Marestail laughs at glyphosate. If you get it young, 24D can be effective at control but marestail can germinate spring and fall. 24D also has soil residual that delays the planting of soybeans.

This coming year, we are considering taking a year off soybeans to get a handle on Marestail. My current plan is to spray 24D at green up and then wait until mid-June to spray gly and plant buckwheat. I'm hoping that what Marestail the 24D does not kill is smothered by the buckwheat. I then plan to spray 24D again in the fall to catch any not smothered by the buckwheat. I'll follow that with a surface broadcast cover crop.

So basically, I'm replacing soybeans with buckwheat because of the wide planting window buckwheat has as well as it's smother quality.

Different situations call for different approaches.

Thanks,

Jack

Give liberty beans a try if your batteling marestail. I doubt buckwheat will smother it out. It seems to show up no matter what
Another approach that I’ve used is to plant beans using a corn planter so you have wider spaced rows. Continue to use gly as weed control and hand spray with 24d what didn’t die. The marestail will stick out like a sore thumb and is easy to spot spray a several acre field
 
Give liberty beans a try if your batteling marestail. I doubt buckwheat will smother it out. It seems to show up no matter what
Another approach that I’ve used is to plant beans using a corn planter so you have wider spaced rows. Continue to use gly as weed control and hand spray with 24d what didn’t die. The marestail will stick out like a sore thumb and is easy to spot spray a several acre field

In our case, one of the problems is timing. We need to weight for the marestail to start growing before we apply 24d. By the time we wait, it is too late to plant soybeans because of the browse pressure. Planting too early and the cold soil yields poor germination. Planting too late and does have dropped their fawns and are hitting the fields hard. That gives us a narrow window to plant and I think the marestail plus 24D closes that window.

Liberty herbicide will run me about $190 for my 7 acres plus the cost of the liberty seed and normal cost of gly. I've seen the total cost per acre for plating liberty link beans at about $140/ac. As far as I can tell, the stewardship agreement for liberty beans says they can only be used to plant a commercial crop.

Thanks,

Jack
 
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