Chicory question

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5 year old buck +
This is the second year I’ve had chicory in, I have it in my big orchard mixed with a few varieties of clovers and about an acre along woods mixed with ladino clover.
Last year they browsed on it a little, this year now that they know what it is they really hit it. In September it was lush now along woods they ate it to the ground and my big orchard looks mowed.

My question is with it being a perennial will it come back up in spring if it is grazed to the dirt? I wasn’t expecting it to get eatin so hard with the deer population I have here.
 
My chicory comes back better than the clovers I plant and they target it heavier.
 
I'm tempted to try some. What are it's downfalls?
 
We've planted it with our clovers and haven't seen a problem. A good attribute is it stays green in hot, dry weather because it grows such a long tap root. It seeks moisture by going deep. It's been a good addition for us.
 
The only "downside" one could argue is by having it with your clover you cannot control weeds as what won't kill chicory will kill clover and vice versa.....but honestly I don't mind weeds (well except bad grasses). I have a clover/chicory spot I plan on spot spraying the grass clumps that have fought and won out this next spring...may even kill off and restart a portion of it but go heavier on the chicory (right now probably 80% clover and 20% chicory). I might even experiment with committing a new section (just a access trail we drive only in planting and mowing time frames) with nearly 100% chicory, probably go 80% or so chicory and just fill in with clover otherwise. The deer this year as I sat on stand told me from what I was looking at they love the chicory as every blade of chicory was cut down to probably an inch (2 at most).
 
X2 on the long taproot. During the drought in 2012, I held off mowing my pasture, and the only thing still green were lush stalks of chicory.


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The only "downside" one could argue is by having it with your clover you cannot control weeds as what won't kill chicory will kill clover and vice versa.....but honestly I don't mind weeds (well except bad grasses). I have a clover/chicory spot I plan on spot spraying the grass clumps that have fought and won out this next spring...may even kill off and restart a portion of it but go heavier on the chicory (right now probably 80% clover and 20% chicory). I might even experiment with committing a new section (just a access trail we drive only in planting and mowing time frames) with nearly 100% chicory, probably go 80% or so chicory and just fill in with clover otherwise. The deer this year as I sat on stand told me from what I was looking at they love the chicory as every blade of chicory was cut down to probably an inch (2 at most).

With proper establishment and appropriate weed tolerance you should need to spray a field for at least 5 years. At that point, you can suppress the clover with 1 qt/ac to get a couple more years out of the clover.

One downside I found was cost. A clover chicory mix worked pretty well when I was using ladino clover. The chicory with that long tap root would flourish in the summer especially during drought years when the ladino would go dormant.

When I moved to Durana clover, the chicory lost much of its added value but the cost of planting it stayed the same. Durana is slow to establish but once established it is more drought tolerant, aggressive, and persistent than ladino. So, I would only get a couple years out of the chicory before the Durana would over take it. Second, in most years, my Durana doesn't go dormant during the summer and in drought years it only goes dormant for a few weeks. So, there is less need for the drought tolerance of the chicory in my area. Also, I get an easy 7-10 years from a durana field rather than 5-7so with the chicory only lasting a couple years the value of it was not worth the cost any longer.

One more thing about chicory. Unlike clover, it requires mowing maintenance unless you have enough deer use to mow it for you. If chicory is allowed to bolt, it can produce too much seed per square foot. Timely mowing solves this, but with straight durana, I can mow once per year right before the fall rains and cool evenings favor the clover and get good results.

Keep in mind that I'm in zone 7a and the value of chicory to a clover mix will vary with location and the type of clover selected.

I am considering the potential of some pure chicory stands as a way to reduce summer soybean forage requirements and long-term cost.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Good info thanks, I think I will overseed some in spring and put another plot of it in.
 
I love mixing in with my perennial plots......and yes it will come back. My deer HAMMER it once the fall weather really gets cool. I will have large big leaves in my clover plot and all of the sudden it is like it never existed! The deer simply wipe it out. I have even considered planting just a plot of chicory, for an archery kill plot, but I just have never done it. Just make sure you get the chicory you want. There are various varieties of it.....in IN, there is even wild chicory. the only real downside I see to it as it limits your management choices for weed control as it is a broadleaf that 2-4db WILL KILL. I also understand it's long tap root helps it fight off summer stress when many cool season perennial clover go dormant.
 
The only "downside" one could argue is by having it with your clover you cannot control weeds as what won't kill chicory will kill clover and vice versa.....but honestly I don't mind weeds (well except bad grasses). I have a clover/chicory spot I plan on spot spraying the grass clumps that have fought and won out this next spring...may even kill off and restart a portion of it but go heavier on the chicory (right now probably 80% clover and 20% chicory). I might even experiment with committing a new section (just a access trail we drive only in planting and mowing time frames) with nearly 100% chicory, probably go 80% or so chicory and just fill in with clover otherwise. The deer this year as I sat on stand told me from what I was looking at they love the chicory as every blade of chicory was cut down to probably an inch (2 at most).

If you spray for weeds and grasses in clover/chicory plot will either of these perennials die? If you spray like a cleth E, would something like that be safe for both clover and chicory? Or does either of them die out? I was just curious if planting both these products together is there a way to spray and keep them both growing ? Thanks!


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If you spray for weeds and grasses in clover/chicory plot will either of these perennials die? If you spray like a cleth E, would something like that be safe for both clover and chicory? Or does either of them die out? I was just curious if planting both these products together is there a way to spray and keep them both growing ? Thanks!


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Cleth will not kill either. The label on Cleth recommends using Crop oil or a non-ionic. Crop oil will stress the chicory and can kill it. You should be fine with a non-ionic.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Thanks for the input


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I'll echo the above...About the ONLY downside to chicory is that it complicates herbicide choices. Clearcast (aka Raptor) is chicory and clover, alfalfa safe, but that herbicide has some downsides... weed age and soil residue are issues.
The only other thing I've heard about chicory is that it shouldn't be planted in a mono culture. I've only planted it in a blend so I have no 1st hand opinion on mono culture chicory plots.
 
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Sun requirement
Full or partial

Have a place in mind, thin strip running down the middle of a shelter belt that runs east to west. Currently the only thing growing there is smooth broom.
Was thinking a 4ft wide by 100ft long strip.
Will get good summer sun then decrease in the fall as it transitions

Worth a shot or a waste of time an to big of a disturbance to a good travel route?
 
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Sun requirement
Full or partial

Have a place in mind, thin strip running down the middle of a shelter belt that runs east to west. Currently the only thing growing there is smooth broom.
Was thinking a 4ft wide by 100ft long strip.
Will get good summer sun then decrease in the fall as it transitions

Worth a shot or a waste of time an to big of a disturbance to a good travel route?

I plant mine in full sun, it should still grow in partial shade. I think it is worth it for you, seed is cheap the stuff is about zero maintenance and deer love it. You might look at mixing in a clover blend with yours.




Update on mine it is starting to sprout back up from the deer taking it down to dirt level.

What it looked like in September
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Same spot in early March
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