Adding New Varieties

Mortenson

5 year old buck +
Last year I got Kieffer and Ayers planted. This year I added Enterprise, Florina, Goldrush & Asian Olympic. The list I compiled today, for next spring planting, consists of Chestnut Crab, Wickson Crab, Liberty, Kieffer, Enterprise, Freedom, and another Asian of some sort to help pollinate the Olympic.

My goals are November drop times and into December. I know the Liberty and Freedom will probably be sooner than that, which leads to my next goal... disease resistance. I feel like I really need a Liberty for that reason. And that's why I then chose a Freedom. I read that Liberty needs at least 2 separate pollinators.

Does anyone see any problems with pollination anywhere in this plan? Am I missing a must-have type? Should I really try to get an Arkansas Black in there? Should I just drop them all and hammer in a whole bunch of Enterprise? I'd like to properly finish up this little orchard then get back to spruces and bedding. Thanks!
 
No Liberty does not take 2 different pollinators. Liberty is a good tree but Enterprise is just as good in my opinion, and matures a little bit later. Liberty is going to be mature before November.
 
Arkansas Black is normally a good late dropper, as is Galarina. For pears check out Wildlife Group they have some nice late droppers like Gate, Gilmer Christmas, Ms Laneene and Becton. Northern Whitetail Crabs has a few trees that hold very late too 30-06 crab, Droptine crab and Gray Ghost. And all those I listed are supposed to have good DR, they have been good for me so far.

http://www.wildlifegroup.com/shop-for-pear-trees/

http://www.northernwhitetailcrabs.com/whitetail-tree-selections
 
I wouldn't plant chestnut or wickson crab based your goal because too early. The late crabs mentioned and those from St Lawrence nursery would be better choices for crabs.

Enterprise, Sundance. Galarina, winecrisp, florina querina, goldrush, freedom, nova spy. All october or later scab resistant varieties.
 
Just thinking about my Late Season apples. I started "testing-for-ripeness" my Granny Smith tree this past weekend which means pick a couple, cut and inspect,...seeds still white (not ripe), not even a hint of brown showing here in Mid October / SE Michigan. As I'm sure you are all well aware, GrannySmith will be a late ripener and even later dropper. I think it will be a contest (for the late-latest) between it and GoldRush.
 
Just thinking about my Late Season apples. I started "testing-for-ripeness" my Granny Smith tree this past weekend which means pick a couple, cut and inspect,...seeds still white (not ripe), not even a hint of brown showing here in Mid October / SE Michigan. As I'm sure you are all well aware, GrannySmith will be a late ripener and even later dropper. I think it will be a contest (for the late-latest) between it and GoldRush.
Cripps Pink or Pink Lady is the latest dropper even if not fully ripe the deer still love them during gun season lasting til mid December
 
Thanks everyone. I think I'll add a couple of those crabs like 30-06 and droptine. Probably will keep the Chestnut and Wickson because they seem solid and I thought they'd be good pollinators. Otherwise I may drop the Liberty and Freedoms and replace with more Enterprise. Maybe throw in a Galarina. I've seen other threads here where they look like they drop later than advertised. Our first two gun seasons I'm most interested in hunting are typically around 11/18 and 12/1.
 
stopped by Lowes last night, mark down only to 25 % off, 4 pallets loadd with fruit trees, I'll go back weekly to wait for the 75% off sale and see what is left, they had plum, cherry, apple, peach, apple, pear..........
 
Mortenson - If those are the dates you're shooting for, Goldrush, Galarina and Enterprise would be good choices. My camp has all three and they are later apples. You should have good pollination with several varieties of apples and crabs.
I have to tell you guys - I just picked a Goldrush at camp this past weekend and it was DELICIOUS !! Probably not at the peak of ripeness quite yet, but the combination of sweet, tart, and tangy is just a killer combination of flavors. Between a Honeycrisp and a Goldrush for eating - I'll take the Goldrush every time.
 
Thanks for all the tips.

Hey Turkey Creek, I just tried emailing in an order to you. Hope I'm not too late to the party!
 
4 more trees fell into my truck today, an ark black, yellow transparrent, emprie, and a red fuji. yellow and empire will go to NJ property to provide polination for my big ark black that I have had for some time, ark black and red fuji are headed upstate to add to what I planted last month. trying to do them better and give protection as well this time around. 10 trees is a nice start to having some apples around.
 
4 more trees fell into my truck today, an ark black, yellow transparrent, emprie, and a red fuji. yellow and empire will go to NJ property to provide polination for my big ark black that I have had for some time, ark black and red fuji are headed upstate to add to what I planted last month. trying to do them better and give protection as well this time around. 10 trees is a nice start to having some apples around.
Any tree is better than none. Try some enterprise and gold rush and get from nursery in spring. Much cheaper and better trees but you are good for now
 
^^^^^ X-2. I'd add some crabs too - very tough trees.
 
So far I have ordered:

2 - Goldrush B118
2 - Enterprise B118
2 - Ark Black B118
2 - Kieffer OHxF87
1 - Seckel "
From Turkey Creek

1 - Yoinahsi OHxF97 (pollinator for Olympics)
1 - Wickson B118
1 - Seckel OHxF97
From Cummins

1 - Kerr Crab - Antonovka
1 - Chestnut Crab - "
From SLN

Northern Whitetails are mostly sold out of their crabs. Will try to pick a few of theirs up next year. Also still want to learn more about the later dropping pears from the Wildlife Group. I may add a couple more of the late holding crabs from SLN as well. And tempted to buy 20 rootstocks to graft apples onto as well.
 
Your List is Fantastic. Seems a shame not to have some early Apples too...and Pristine wins the tasters choice at my house...(against WilliamsPide, Against Zestar)
 
I like that pristine wins taste, as I got one just by luck last week........
 
planted a wolf and an empire today on either side of my 5 inch caliber ark black, should have a bumper crop of ark blacks next year, now that it has two good pollinators!
 
Just a reminder ........ crab apples make excellent pollinators for regular apple trees. Many nurseries sell crabs for just that purpose. One of Penn State's highly recommended nurseries - Adams County Nursery - sells several varieties of crabs for pollination purposes. Those crab varieties are - Indian Summer, Snowdrift, Mt. Evereste, Chestnut, Mt. Blanc, and Hyslop.

In our experience at camp, ANY crab apple is just less headache, and is just a tougher tree. They don't seem to get the diseases that regular apples get, and ours seem to be less bothered by insects. Our list of crabs - Chestnut, Hyslop, Whitney, Dolgo, Centennial, Trailman, Centurion, Violi's, All-Winter-Hangover, Winter Wildlife, Nova Scotia, Wickson, and 4 un-named small wild crabs. FWIW.
 
sounds good, headed North tomorrow after work, trees are loaded, as is the "firewood chop saw table" for trying to make easier work of getting logs to length for my stove.
 
Just a reminder ........ crab apples make excellent pollinators for regular apple trees. Many nurseries sell crabs for just that purpose. One of Penn State's highly recommended nurseries - Adams County Nursery - sells several varieties of crabs for pollination purposes. Those crab varieties are - Indian Summer, Snowdrift, Mt. Evereste, Chestnut, Mt. Blanc, and Hyslop.

In our experience at camp, ANY crab apple is just less headache, and is just a tougher tree. They don't seem to get the diseases that regular apples get, and ours seem to be less bothered by insects. Our list of crabs - Chestnut, Hyslop, Whitney, Dolgo, Centennial, Trailman, Centurion, Violi's, All-Winter-Hangover, Winter Wildlife, Nova Scotia, Wickson, and 4 un-named small wild crabs. FWIW.

My list is chestnut, dolgo, Kerr, Columbia,firecracker, golden hornet, and numerous seedlings, some of which I have named. Not producing yet are Whitney, centennial, b 118,trail man, violi’s, Bastian’s orange flesh, some of the Nevis crab hybrids and a few others tacked on to flowering crabs. Norland, frostbite, and Kinder crisp are “near crabs” in size I guess.


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