J-birds place

Well I hunted this morning and NOTHING! I thought for sure the deer would move before the rain came......apparently the deer and I read different books!
I took off for the woods this evening and got settled in and I get a text.....from my youngest. "where you at?" She wanted to hunt.....this was right at 4 and it's dark by 6. I told her to get her stuff and to come to the stand. I was in 2-man and she knows where that is at, but took the long way to get there...."so she didn't get lost". She shows up like a little lost puppy so I get her situated. She was happy as a clam as they say and we chatted about the day and she was telling me how she had such a great day and the like. I figured her walking to the stand that late had essentially ruined the hunt....but, we make sacrifices for our kids....so I didn't say anything.

Totally unexpected 2 does come into the soybean food plot. Emma doesn't see them as there is a large tree branch in the way. I tell her one of them is a mature doe and if she wants it, it's hers for the taking. Keep in mind this would be her first deer......EVER!

Emma is nervous and decides she is going to shoot if the opportunity presents itself. The doe walks along the far edge of the food plot and simply won't stop. Emma is tracking the doe in the scope of the gun and I crank up the magnification. As the doe entered the corner of the clover plot I got tired of waiting. I whistled! BOOM! The doe mule kicks and bounds into the CRP weeds.....I here some limbs breaking and a crash. The fawn bounds away in another direction. It's 5:20....and Emma appears to have just shot her first deer! I tell her we have to wait. She negotiates waiting until 5:30 to get down. I tell her we will only look for blood. I take the lead with the gun in case the deer bolts.....even though I think it's done. I find deer hair and Emma finds blood. Time for another teaching moment....how to follow blood and not just where we think the deer went. At this point I don't hear or smell (thinking gut shot) the deer and the blood looks like lung hit. There is enough light that Emma finds blood on the grass and weeds so I let her take the lead. She does pretty good and I show her how to follow a deer's path to help find the next spot. We come to the edge of the woods and still no deer. The blood showed up well on the switchgrass which really helped. I again take the lead with the gun and Emma sees a big smear on a tree.....and just beyond that about 10 yards I see a white rear-end! I approached the deer to ensure it was done. I signaled to Emma that the deer was done and again teach her how we approach a downed deer and why. It's photo op time!!!!

Emma is on top of the world right now. The shot was about 75 yards and the 30/30 did the trick and took out both lungs. Location was a bit high and missed the heart and the deer only went less than 100 yards. live weight was 150 lbs.

Another memory that I will never forget.
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Emma is on top of the world right now.

Woo who! Congratulations Emma! And Dad.

That first one is special. Heck they all are with your kids. That's a big doe too.
 
Happy times for sure
Congratulations to both of you
 
Well they claim there is not rest for the wicked....so I was up and after it again this morning. I knew last night the over night temps would be cold......wake up to freezing temps this morning....it was cold, but it was pretty! This was the view from my enclosed shooting house....
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I was looking forward to sun rise to help the temps climb!
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As the sun came out I spotted this "steam/fog" rising from the CRP.....I was thinking it may be deer bedded down or a heavy breathing buck......I finally got up and had to go look for myself.....nothing was there other than a deer trail! I am still sort of stumped, but I assume it was simply my angle and the angle of the sun and the melting frost off the branches.....I was so wound up hoping to sneak up on a bedded deer!
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While I was out investigating the "steam".....I walked by my trail cam......and just had to take a pic!
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So to sum it all up.....no deer.

This evening I hunted my north basin stand.....and again no deer sighted. I haven't re-figured my numbers of deer per hour......but it isn't looking good thus far....... we close out of general firearms season on sunday....so we will be after it pretty good this weekend.....we will see what happens!
 
That’s what you call frosty!!
 
Well our general firearms season has come to an end.

Roger hunted the SW shooting house saturday am (2nd) and saw 3 across the creek, Tom hunted near doe point and didn't see anything and I hunted the North shooting house and I didn't see anything either.

Saturday evening Tom hunted the SW shooting house and saw nothing and I hunted the ladder stand in the north and saw 3 way off in Bowers field.

Saturday mid-day we played with Roger's new toy. Roger was given a new gun for some work he had done for a friend of his. He has a brand new Weatherby Vanguard in .243 win....with a 2 to 7 x 40 Leupold scope! I need friends like that! Roger had only shot a rifle once before so we made sure it was good at 100 yards. It will be a great deer gun for him.

Sunday (3rd) morning....Roger, Tom and I all hunted and saw nothing.

Sunday evening Tom saw a doe being chased by a dog/yote as he accessed his stand and I saw 3 as I was accessing my stand in the north basin. A yearling buck right as I entered the woods and 2 does bedded on the edge of the basin.......nothing else beyond that.

I need to re-calculate my hours on stand vs deer sighting figures....

Next weekend starts our 16 day muzzleloader season. Roger doesn't have a muzzleloader and I have one, so it will be interesting to see how we work that out!

I am holding out hope that the colder weather of December will bring a shooter buck to my standing soybean plots.....so far I have not seen a buck that really interests me thus far..... but it only takes a few minutes and all that can change so we will see.
 
Muzzleloader opener 12/9 .....Tom and I went to the SW shooting house and saw nothing that morning. We had my wife's family X-mas dinner that evening so no hunting. We did hear that a nice 10 pointer was killed on a nearby farm (granny & Paps) but Tony and Sam had not seen much activity either.

12/10 morning Tom wen to the north shooting house and saw nothing and we both went back to the north shooting house and saw nothing.

So to catch-up on the numbers. From 11/5 to 11/20 we saw 14 deer in 33 hours of hunting (2.36 hour's per deer). From 11/21 to 11/29 we saw 36 deer in 52 hours of hunting (1.44 hours per deer). From 11/30 to 12/10 we saw 12 deer in 51 hours of hunting (4.25 hours per deer). For a current total of 2.2 hours of hunting per deer sighted. Now those are NOT killable deer - many are way too far to shoot or even on a different property. Per some FB posts we are roughly 10,000 deer BEHIND last years harvest at this time state wide (roughly -10%).....I have some serious concerns about deer numbers in my county and state wide.
 
J-bird - Thanks for the report. You're not alone in your concern for lower deer numbers. In my hunting area of north-central Pa., very few shots were heard in the first 2 days of the rifle season. ( And at my location, you can hear for a very long way.) Shot numbers declined over the next 2 weeks of the season - some days no shots at all. Yet these state game agencies continue to sell large numbers of doe tags and talk like the deer are as numerous as flies. Main objective: revenue stream.

I'm happy you got to share the experience of Emma getting her deer. Very cool memory to re-live for years.
 
J-Bird- I have some concerns for parts of the state, but fortunately none at all around my place. Most places I have concern for is do to habitat loss (habitat quality is #2 IMO), mostly to suburban/urban causes. IN loses tens of thousands of acres a year in this manner.

Overall, I think the weather on the opening day of gun season is a big reason the state is behind in harvest numbers over last year. I'm also not convinced that a 10% drop would be detectable in the "noise" of the numbers in a supportable way.
 
J, definitely seems your area is down compared to years past. This year finally up farther north we are experiencing better numbers than any of the past 2 to 3 years across the board. Now granted I haven't been able to check all our cams at every property or hunt them post-firearms season when numbers really start showing impact...

You got an awesome property going and only getting better, when numbers cycle back up you will be one of the first to notice I bet!
 
Well I guess i was slow to react or thought I lived in a bubble. In either case, the situation has changed and as such, I must adapt. Some of it is deer numbers, some of it is hunting pressure and some of it is neighboring land use issues. Either way, what worked before, isn't working now.....so as the old saying goes...."adapt or die"!
 
Well I guess i was slow to react or thought I lived in a bubble. In either case, the situation has changed and as such, I must adapt. Some of it is deer numbers, some of it is hunting pressure and some of it is neighboring land use issues. Either way, what worked before, isn't working now.....so as the old saying goes...."adapt or die"!

Any of the surrounding use get rid of bedding/cover options? I've never seen numbers plummet faster than when localized bedding cover is either done away with or intruded upon in some fashion (recreationally, kids or really even a hunter).
 
Good job on the yote. I have had the opposite experience with shooting coyotes on stand and it has been repeated several times. I've shot two with bow and every deer but one went to it and smelled it, eight or nine each day, buck and doe. No deer were seen high tailing it out of there and there was no snorting or blowing.

The two I shot with rifle during two separate deer hunts resulted in deer doing the same thing. One of these two had originally chased the deer out of the corn field I was overlooking. When he came by me I shot him. The deer came back into the field and the buck that was with the does walked to it and smelled it and then slowly walked off. There was no blowing or snorting. Some foot stomping but that was it.

I was surprised by these experiences and up to that time believed that shooting a coyote during a hunt was the death blow to the hunt and had passed many coyotes. Our coyote numbers have exploded so I decided to shoot them whenever given the opp and I couldn't have been more wrong. Now any coyote that is in range is shot. None yet this year but I still have time.:)
 
Best way to reduce your coyote numbers is to add a few wolves to the area. I can ship a few to you, if you are interested? If I am hearing yotes howl at night, then I know the wolves arent in the area. When I dont hear the yotes howling, then I know the wolves are back. I would much rather hear the yotes!
 
Any of the surrounding use get rid of bedding/cover options? I've never seen numbers plummet faster than when localized bedding cover is either done away with or intruded upon in some fashion (recreationally, kids or really even a hunter).
Yep - the habitat is still there, but I have two neighbors - one north and one south who where once quiet neighbors and now they have kids running quads and dirt bikes seemingly constantly! I am certain this has had a significant impact. Those neighbors do a good job on staying on their side of the line, but that constant noise I am sure is not helping matters. Funny thing is both of these properties are hunted and yet they haven't seemed to be able to understand how one activity is impacting the other! I also had other neighbor properties that are now being hunted that where not before as well....so again....another impact beyond my control. The biggest issue is that my hands are pretty tied as to my own ability to increase the cover to compensate. Those crop fields are money in the bank! They say "it takes a village"....well, the village got noisy and crowded!
 
Good job on the yote. I have had the opposite experience with shooting coyotes on stand and it has been repeated several times. I've shot two with bow and every deer but one went to it and smelled it, eight or nine each day, buck and doe. No deer were seen high tailing it out of there and there was no snorting or blowing.

The two I shot with rifle during two separate deer hunts resulted in deer doing the same thing. One of these two had originally chased the deer out of the corn field I was overlooking. When he came by me I shot him. The deer came back into the field and the buck that was with the does walked to it and smelled it and then slowly walked off. There was no blowing or snorting. Some foot stomping but that was it.

I was surprised by these experiences and up to that time believed that shooting a coyote during a hunt was the death blow to the hunt and had passed many coyotes. Our coyote numbers have exploded so I decided to shoot them whenever given the opp and I couldn't have been more wrong. Now any coyote that is in range is shot. None yet this year but I still have time.:)
I won't pass a yote......but that's interesting to hear that you have not seen adverse issues with it relating to how the deer react.....
 
Best way to reduce your coyote numbers is to add a few wolves to the area. I can ship a few to you, if you are interested? If I am hearing yotes howl at night, then I know the wolves arent in the area. When I dont hear the yotes howling, then I know the wolves are back. I would much rather hear the yotes!
You keep your damn wolves....at least I can shoot the yotes!!!! We are making plans already to thin them out some once deer season ends. I do not envy those of you guys who have to contend with bears, wolves and hogs......
 
J-bird - I have the same yote-thinning plans after Christmas. Gonna pick up a Fox-Pro with a batch of sounds on it. I have some squirrel tails to use as attractors with a rig I'll set up to get them moving/twitching. I'll be in tree stands with a good view. We heard so many howling this fall, I'm psyched to get after 'em. The ones we have on cams are fat and healthy with great looking fur. I aim to change their health status !!! :emoji_skull:
 
I have never set out specifically to hunt them (they have always been a target of opportunity), but my boy seems pretty pumped about the idea this year of doing so. I figure my 22-250 may get a work out. If it wasn't for my own dogs I would consider letting the neighbor kid trap them, but I know how that would end. I need to do some digging on the rules to hunt them here before we get started, but I figure a few mouth calls and a light is a cheap enough investment to get started. We may get lucky and get a couple before they catch on...but I'll take it.
 
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